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Sen. Teddie Kennedy Speech - LIVE Thread! Gag Alert!
The Big Fat Guy | Jan. 14.2004 | Ted Kennedy

Posted on 01/14/2004 9:15:49 AM PST by Molly Pitcher

Here he goes!


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To: Howlin
I yawned the same time that woman on C-Span yawned.

Same old, same old....

81 posted on 01/14/2004 10:01:34 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: OESY
Dear Ted,

Here's my response to your speech:


82 posted on 01/14/2004 10:02:43 AM PST by OESY
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To: Diogenesis
Did you know Ted Kennedy's father was a Nazi sympathizer, bootlegger, and abused his daughter (lobotomy).

Just goes to show what the press doesn't tell us about the MA Mob, of course the same could be said of the Daley MOB in Chicago, who BTW had more people murdered in a year in that city, than has been lost by our forces in Iraq,

83 posted on 01/14/2004 10:04:02 AM PST by dts32041 ("Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed" RAH)
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To: Molly Pitcher

84 posted on 01/14/2004 10:04:29 AM PST by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
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To: OXENinFLA
When is Ted's senate seat up again?

Doesn't matter. These missing chromosome idiots will continue to vote for the blimp. He needs to act crazier & he'll get more votes. Why do you think Teddy perform these antics. He again proves these idiot trolls will vote for him no matter what. Why can these pols continue to run up debt (both parties) & the sheeple keep voting them in? Because they know that you won't take the inititive to vote outside of the box & throw them all out so the media play dem against pub & the sheeple wallow in arguements about which faction is more evil than the other all the while the dollar crumbles, jobs go offshore your standard of living drops with your children paying the debt these pols create.

85 posted on 01/14/2004 10:06:49 AM PST by Digger
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To: Molly Pitcher
Regarding Tubby's claim about the Carnegie report that the adminstration "systematically" misrepresented intelligence on Iraq, I saw their press conference. A reporter there pointed out the adminstration statements matched the CIA's annual intelligence assessment virtually word for word. It turned out the point of the peaceniks was that minor qualifying adjectives had been "systematically" left out (although you never would have heard that if the reporter hadn't asked that question)!

As to Cheney "intimidating" the CIA by visiting the agency, the following typed in from The CIA at War by Ronald Kessler, pg 315ff:

The Washington Post quoted unnamed analysts as saying that the face that Cheney and a senior aide visited the agency a number of time to question analysts created what they perceived as an environment of pressure for them to tailor their conclusions to the administration's policy

Over the years the CIA has repeatedly come under pressure from administrations trying to marshal support for its policy positions. [examples, noting that such pressure didn't actually cause the CIA to change it's positions, and that questions could, however, cause the agency to find something overlooked -- e.g. it had believed that the Soviet Union could not get missiles into Cuba undetected]

"The job of the CIA is to speak truth to power," said David Cohen, the former associate director of the DI. "The analysts are always subject to tough questioning. They are grilled by the DCI. That should not be confused with pressure."

[...]

Given the subjective nature of analysis, some within the agency will always disagree with the final position. In the case of Iraq, some analysts were against the war, just as some State Department officials opposed it and resigned as a result. That did not mean that the CIA was trying to suppress views or had been politicized.

In reviewing CIA intelligence on Iraq and the agency's interaction with the administration, Richard Kerr [a former DCI and part of the panel retrospectively reviewing intelligence on Iraq] told me the CIA encountered the same kind of "pressure" a reporter on a hot story might apply in asking a government official for a stronger quote. The reporter may argue that the facts warrant such a quote, while the official disagrees and sticks to his position.

In the case of Iraq, Kerr said administration officials had an obligation to delve into the facts and get involved in the process. Based on their own reading of the intelligence and their own worldview, they sometimes marshaled arguments to try to persuade the agency to say Hussein posed more of a threat than the agency was willing to conclude. They also asked why the CIA emphasized one fact or another. In the same vein, in questioning Tenet on the Hill, a senator might push for a particular answer because he feels it is the right one. While some analysts might interpret that as pressure, Kerr said no one tried to "direct" the CIA to change its opinions, nor did the agency do so.

"It was part of the normal give-and-take of the intelligence process," Kerr said.

When Cheney visited the CIA, McLaughlin [head of the DI and therefore in charge of the analysts] would escort him into a conference room across the hall from the DCI's office. There, the vice president would spend three or four hours at a time with analysts. Besides the weapons of mass destruction issue, Cheney made visits to look into three or four other issues that interested him, such as North Korea and China.

"He came out here a lot," McLaughlin told me. "The characterization Colin Powell gave was exactly right: He loves to dig into things. When he comes, his is polite and respectful. Most of the people I would bring in here to talk to him were thankful he was here. We were saying, 'Thank you, God, for bringing us someone who is interested.'"


86 posted on 01/14/2004 10:13:11 AM PST by Stultis
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To: StriperSniper
SOROS PING!

washingtonpost.com

Liberals Get A Think Tank Of Their Own
New Shop Will Develop Ideas, Fight Conservatives

By David Von Drehle
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, October 23, 2003; Page A29

To most Washington think tank executives, $10 million or $12 million per year for three years would sound like a lot of money.

But then, they are not trying to do what former White House chief of staff John D. Podesta has in mind for his new Center for American Progress. Podesta's ambition is to update the liberal agenda while beating back the conservative tide. Also, to discover, train and promote a new generation of liberal spokesmen. In other words, he wants to give the left of the American political spectrum a think tank to match the Heritage Foundation on the right.

The seed money pledged by such deep-pocketed Democrats as financier George Soros and mortgage billionaires Herbert and Marion Sandler -- while serious dough -- is barely enough to make a beginning.

On the other hand, Heritage got started on less. Hatched amid the ruins of the post-Watergate Republican Party, Heritage has grown into a $30 million-a-year operation -- a hatchery of ideas, yes, but also a packager, promoter, expediter, wholesaler, matchmaker and orchestrator. It is the hub of a network of loosely aligned conservative brain barns with budgets totaling $100 million or so.

Liberals have been pining for many years for something similar on their side, Podesta said in an interview this week. "For as long as I can remember," he said, "people have talked about the rise of the Republican think tank machine with a powerful communications machinery really embedded inside it -- creating the ability not just to develop the philosophy but to sell it."

What really drove home the need was the election of 2002, when Democrats found themselves out of power at every level of government. Podesta, a man with many admirers and few enemies despite 30 years in politics, agreed to take on the project.

Already more than half the anticipated staff has been hired -- 35 of what will become a staff of about 65. The center today plans to name its first nine fellows. Next week, the center will co-sponsor a forum on liberal approaches to foreign policy and national security, guided by Clinton administration veteran Robert O. Boorstin, one of Podesta's first hires. The keynote speaker will be retired Army Gen. Wesley K. Clark -- an invitation Podesta said was issued long before Clark entered the race for president.

88888

NOTE: C-SPAM and the home page of this org call them a "non-partisan" think tank!

87 posted on 01/14/2004 10:16:09 AM PST by maica (Laus Deo)
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Looks like Teddy has lost some weight. Must be reading the low carb threads on FreeRepublic.
88 posted on 01/14/2004 10:17:13 AM PST by MattMa (I'm not a victim, I am a conservative and if you get to close, I just may bite.)
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To: DJ88
O'Neal said he would vote for Bush again. The best choice.
89 posted on 01/14/2004 10:20:41 AM PST by Big Horn (A waist is a terrible thing to mind.)
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To: Big Horn

90 posted on 01/14/2004 10:22:11 AM PST by OESY
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To: Jaxter
Very UNKIND of you!
You forgot to give a !!WARNING!!
I'm now losing my sight.

Just kidding, I started going blind the last time I saw a surprise picture of PIAPS (Pig-In-A-Pant-Suit) in a post. (ok, I'm kidding again)

91 posted on 01/14/2004 10:46:02 AM PST by Condor51 ("Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites." -- Standing Wolf)
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To: Molly Pitcher
I did not get to hear his Hugeness speak. However, I must send him a thank you note. He just convinced my 73 year old, forever dem, mother to vote for President Bush. The 'Neanderthal' comment a while back, combined with this speech pushed her over the edge. Way to go, Jabba!!
92 posted on 01/14/2004 10:50:14 AM PST by used2BDem (Can't think of one at the moment!)
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To: Molly Pitcher
"....Please comment ...."

STFU, you fat, alcoholic bastard.

93 posted on 01/14/2004 11:03:48 AM PST by DoctorMichael (Thats my story, and I'm sticking to it.)
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To: Reagan Man
I cannot see why any news outlets cover what the liberal old drunk creep says; he's even past being a has-been. He's an extinct dinosaur.
94 posted on 01/14/2004 11:03:49 AM PST by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: CougarGA7
Oh my God, that is a classic example of the looney left non-thinking, non-logical muddy thought process!!!! LOL!!!!
95 posted on 01/14/2004 11:06:30 AM PST by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: Molly Pitcher
WHEW! Thanks for the warning. Would be helpful if we could be informed of which channels are carrying this tripe so we could programs our T.V.'s to block those channels.
96 posted on 01/14/2004 11:16:09 AM PST by Warren
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To: Molly Pitcher

97 posted on 01/14/2004 11:20:53 AM PST by ppaul
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To: Big Horn
"O'Neal said he would vote for Bush again. The best choice."

Really? When did he say that? At least he has a brain. ;-)

98 posted on 01/14/2004 11:25:46 AM PST by DJ88 (Some Things in Life You Can't Buy; For Everything Else, There's Democrats)
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To: Mich0127
BUMP!
99 posted on 01/14/2004 11:25:52 AM PST by jmstein7
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To: ppaul

100 posted on 01/14/2004 11:28:51 AM PST by John Lenin ( Remember men, we're fighting for this woman's honour; which is probably more than she ever did.)
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