MoveOn stays on Bush-Hitler theme

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, January 14, 2003

[JohnHuang2]

Wednesday, January 14, 2003

Quote of the Day by feedback doctor

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

"Fat and stupid is no way to go through life, Margaret..."

[LPM1888]

"I mean, I'm afraid of terrorists, but I'm more afraid of the Patriot Act."

I agree with her on this point.

[lelio]

I mean, George Bush is not Hitler. He would be if he fu--ing applied himself.

Jeez, what a winner.

[LPM1888]

"I mean, I'm afraid of terrorists, but I'm more afraid of the Patriot Act."

In the long run the Patriot Act will harm all of us far more than the Terrorists will ever be able to do.

[kingu]

You'd imagine that an organization titled 'moveon' would get over the fact that Gore lost.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

In the long run the Patriot Act will harm all of us far more than the Terrorists will ever be able to do.

There are -- or, rather, were -- 3000+ people in New York City who'd disagree with you on that score.

[Banjoguy]

Patience, patience. After the election they will be more irrelevant then they are now.

[VulgarWit]

There are -- or, rather, were -- 3000+ people in New York City who'd disagree with you on that score.

Perhaps but there were also many tens of thousands from all around the country and world who might agree... from the soldiers of the Continental Army, veterans of the Civil War, The Great War, World War II, perhaps Korea and Vietnam and all the other conflicts where sacrifices of life were made to prevent sacrifices of freedom.

[raccoonradio]

>>He would be if he fu--ing applied himself

Ah! The first rule of modern humor, especially when used by liberals: Adding the F-word to your joke automatically
makes it funny! :)

[LPM1888]

There are -- or, rather, were -- 3000+ people in New York City who'd disagree with you on that score.

Yes, that's true and it's a tragedy but because of that tragedy we have allowed the government to trash the rights of almost 300 million people.

Supposedly the Patriot Act is "only for the duration" of the War on Terrorism. The government has stated that the war may well go on for the next thirty years. Do you really think the government will give us our rights back in thirty years? During that thirty years how many people are going to have their lives ruined by some "civil servant" for fun or profit. It will certainly be more than 3000.

If we don't do something to get our Rights back soon we never will. We are allowing "Big Brother" posing as a civil servant to harm us far more than all of the world's terrorists ever will.

We have the " Bill of Rights" for a reason and it isn't so that we can surrender them as soon as we are attacked.

[MS.BEHAVIN]

What a delightful and enlightened response from Hollywood..
Anybody (there) care to talk with my MIL about the war??
She was there...
Anybody care to ask her or Mr.B about their murdered relatives?
Buchenwald ring a bell??

Do they think Bush is like that??
Idiots!!
These people who call Conservatives "Nazis" have NO idea, what they are talking about..NONE!

I DO! So does SHE!!
She was there, she lived it...
She told me when Mr. B was born here, that she cried and kissed his newborn face, and vowed to teach him, never to let something like that happen again..
and he never will...

Ms.B

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

Perhaps but there were also many tens of thousands from all around the country and world who might agree

Whether or not "thousands from all around the world" "agree" that Bush is evil or not is a matter of supreme indifference to me. We neither elect politicians nor enact laws within our borders based upon what some muttonhead in France might snivel, in response.

from the soldiers of the Continental Army, veterans of the Civil War, The Great War, World War II, perhaps Korea and Vietnam and all the other conflicts where sacrifices of life were made to prevent sacrifices of freedom

How arrogant to advance the claim, disingenuously, that soldiers en masse, past and present, would support the views of blame-America-firsters and Dubya-demonizers, with nary a shred of evidence offered in support.

Mine is a military family, as it so happens. My younger brother, Lt. Col. Kim S. Orlando, died in Iraq late last year, and he was as staunch a supporter of Dubya and his foreign policy as ever you could hope to find. Both my sister and my sister-in-law are in the armed forces now; ditto, on both.

Astounding.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

Yes, that's true and it's a tragedy but because of that tragedy we have allowed the government to trash the rights of almost 300 million people.

I will now ask the very same question I've asked of every other Patriot Act hysteric prior to this, knowing that what I receive in response will be no more verifiable or concrete than any I've yet encountered. Which explicit rights have we inarguably "lost" due to the Patriot Act, please? Specifics, not generalities.

"300 million people," trampled 'neath jackbooted foot? My, my; should be fairly simple to start naming a specific few by name, then... yes?

During that thirty years how many people are going to have their lives ruined by some "civil servant" for fun or profit. It will certainly be more than 3000.

I gave up believing in psychic abilities about the time I first realized that Nostradamus was so full of it, he squeaked whenever he walked. I'm perfectly willing to be impressed, however. Quick, now: what are the winning Lotto numbers for this weekend...?

[Keith in Iowa]

Thank you for your service...

To all those who are so against the Patriot Act: Please give me one example of how it has harmed you, personally. I'd like some specific examples to share with others as to why it's so bad.

[Prime Choice]

[LPM1888]

The Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads as follows:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

The search and seizure provisions of the Fourth Amendment are all about privacy. Most people instinctively understand the concept of privacy. It is the freedom to decide which details of your life will be revealed to the public and which will be revealed only to those you care to share them with. To honor this freedom, the Fourth Amendment protects against "unreasonable" searches and seizures by state or federal law enforcement authorities.

The flip side is that the Fourth Amendment does permit searches and seizures that are considered reasonable. In practice, this means that the police may override your privacy concerns and conduct a search of your home, barn, car, boat, office, personal or business documents, bank account records, trash barrel or whatever, if:

the police have probable cause to believe they can find evidence that you committed a crime, and a judge issues a search warrant, or
the particular circumstances justify the search without a warrant first being issued.

I guess you don't think the Fourth Amemdment is an important part of your life or worth fighting for but I consider it an important part of mine and I am willing to fight for it.

[Keith in Iowa]

Do you have any specific examples - manes, places, of people who's lives have been harmed by the Patriot Act? That's what I want. Specifics - not demagoguery.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

I guess you don't think the Fourth Amemdment is an important part of your life or worth fighting for but I consider it an important part of mine and I am willing to fight for it.

Nice attempt at personally insulting the poster, rather than (attempting to) deal with the content of the posting. If you haven't anything even remotely resembling a coherent counter-argument, simply say so. As mentioned, previously: I haven't seen one yet contained in the bleatings of the Dubya-Is-the-Devil sheeple, and it certainly isn't as if I was expecting one now.

You state, yourself, that "The flip side is that the Fourth Amendment does permit searches and seizures that are considered reasonable," without offering anything whatsoever to substantiate your apparent contention -- an assumption on my part, I'll grant you; you really aren't making yourself terribly coherent, in this regard -- that the Patriot Act is in substantial contradiction with that all-important codicil.

I asked for specific names, and examples. Your unwillingness and/or inability to provide either says all there is to say about your "argument," really. Such as it is.

[MS.BEHAVIN]

I am so very sorry for the loss of your younger brother..
Please accept my sincere sympathy..and my profound thanks..
Kent..

Lt. Col. Kim S. Orlando..
Thank you Sir, for your service..and your sacrifice..
May God bring you home..You are the best and brightest..
God needed a few more warriors and angels...it would seem.

God Bless and comfort you, Kent..

Ms.B