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Kodak to stop selling traditional cameras in U.S.
Reuters | January 13, 2004

Posted on 01/13/2004 7:39:37 PM PST by HAL9000

Eastman Kodak said Tuesday it will stop selling traditional film cameras in the United States, Canada and Western Europe, another move by the photography company to cut lines with declining appeal in favor of fast-growing digital products.

With sales of digital cameras poised to overtake film cameras for the first time this year, Kodak is redefining itself in an effort to keep pace. But the No. 1 maker of photographic film will continue to sell one-time use cameras in the West and expand its sales of these and other film-based cameras--and film--in emerging markets where demand is on the rise.

Shares of Kodak eked out narrow gains Tuesday after the announcement, and was one of the few blue chip stocks to close higher on the New York Stock Exchange.

The move comes amid Kodak's controversial plan to focus on high-growth digital products, such as medical imaging systems and production printing, and reduce dependence on its declining film business. Late in 2003, Kodak said it would stop making slide projectors, but still manufactures color slide films.

"Every one of these steps indicates more and more the strength of Kodak's conviction of moving toward digital," said analyst Shannon Cross of Cross Research. "However, the jury is out on whether (the digital strategy) will work."

Blaming declining demand, the Rochester, N.Y.-based company said it would by the end of this year quit making reloadable cameras that use 35-millimeter film, including those in the Advanced Photo System (APS) format.

In 1996, when it was unveiled, Advantix was hailed by Kodak as the "most important photographic announcement since Instamatic cartridge-loading cameras were introduced in 1963."

Kodak will still make film for existing Advantix and other cameras, and intends to introduce new high-performance 35mm and APS films next month.

Camera makers typically make little profit--or lose money--on hardware, but enjoy strong margins from sales of supplies such as film and paper, which must be replaced frequently.

Kodak said that it plans to continue making reloadable cameras that use 35mm film for emerging markets, such as China, India, Eastern Europe and Latin America and that it will introduce six new cameras in those markets this year.

"(We) estimate that there are 60 million Chinese consumers who have the purchasing power to participate in photography, but have not bought their first camera," Kodak spokesman Charles Smith said.

Under Kodak's new strategy, unveiled in September, it will shift its investments into digital markets with greater growth potential than the waning film market. But film still provides ample revenue for Kodak--more than 120 million rolls of film are sold each year industry-wide.

According to estimates by InfoTrends Research Group, global film camera shipments in 2004 will shrink to 36 million units from 48 million in 2003, while digital camera shipments will rise to 53 million from 41 million units.

Other companies that helped develop APS--Canon, Fuji Photo, Minolta and Nikon-- will continue to make APS cameras.

"The consumer who has APS likes it a lot, but the growth potential is probably tapped out from Kodak's standpoint,'' said Gary Pageau, spokesman of the Photo Marketing Association, an industry organization.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: camera; cameras; digital; film; kodak; photography
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To: luvbach1
Kodak got caught with their pants down not getting into other areas. It needs to be yanked from the Dow.
61 posted on 01/14/2004 10:37:23 AM PST by petercooper (DEAN = Democrats Experiencing Another Nightmare)
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To: HAL9000
The best of both worlds: Use film and digitize it with a film scanner.

You can get much higher detail than even with the best digital camera currently sold.
62 posted on 01/14/2004 10:40:02 AM PST by A. Patriot
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To: Fledermaus
(Sambo's Restaurants)

That was Lil' Black Sambo's first! lol

Why was Sambo's racist when its logo was a little Asian Indian kid and a tiger (which are from India..not Africa)
63 posted on 01/14/2004 10:40:37 AM PST by kaktuskid
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To: All
Film cameras will be around for the foreseeable future. Right now the only way to get extremely high resolution digital pictures (12+ mega pixels) is by using a scanner that scans negatives and slides. The only digital cameras that come close to that cost in the tens of thousands of dollars.
64 posted on 01/14/2004 10:41:11 AM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: MarkL
Check out Canon's and Nikon's lines of digital SLR cameras which use the same lenses as their film SLR cameras. Canon, at least, sells one model for $1000.
65 posted on 01/14/2004 10:44:08 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: Bogey78O
Dollar for dollar film beats digital in the high quality arena.

Which is why it will always remain as a niche market item. Like phonograph needles.

The largest part of the photography market remains unchanged. People taking pictures of each other and places they have been. It requires less quality than even what is available on the low end right now.

66 posted on 01/14/2004 10:44:38 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: HAL9000
EK has been doing well on Wall Street. This is good. I like Kodak. Grew up about a block from George Eastman's house.
67 posted on 01/14/2004 10:47:37 AM PST by RightWhale (How many technological objections will be raised?)
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To: MarkL
>. I'd like something in the 5 MP range with full manual control.

Check out the Nikon CoolPix 5700. I like mine.

68 posted on 01/14/2004 10:49:09 AM PST by Wallaby
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To: MediaMole
"No big loss. Kodak hasn't made a quality film camera since the Retina".


I bought a Retina IIa off of Ebay. They were made in Germany. It has a Schneider-Kreuznach lens. It takes incredibly sharp pictures. I had gotten used to the pictures from an Olympus autofocus zoom camera. The sharpness of the Retina blew the Olympus away. Here is a link to a nice picture of one of these: http://www.owariya.com/cc/retina2_011.html

I also have a Russian Kiev 4a 35mm camera that makes very, very sharp pictures. Here is a picture of it: http://homepage.mac.com/mattdenton/photo/cameras/kiev_4a.html


I'm sure digital will someday catch up, but I predict it will be many years until it does catch up and at the same price as film.

PS- I am not a complete ludite. I have a digital 2 megapixle camera and use it more than any of my other cameras.

When I really want to do serious work, I use my Pentax 6x7 http://www.pentaxusa.com/products/cameras/camera_overview.cfm?productID=10291 or a my vintage Mamiya 220 http://www.lumieresenboite.com/collection2.php?l=2&c=Mamiya_C220 . It will be many, many years until digital can do as well as these medium format cameras.
69 posted on 01/14/2004 11:11:35 AM PST by A. Patriot
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To: Paleo Conservative
Digital cameras will have to reach 10 megapixels to match the resolution of 35mm still film cameras.

Bottom line for me: How much do I have to spend for a digital camera that can produce pictures comparable in quality to a standard instamatic type camera?

The thing that bothers me is that I usually only have one photo per roll that's worth keeping. I'd love to be able to shoot and shoot until I get a good picture.

70 posted on 01/14/2004 11:17:03 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Beck_isright
Kodak took 10 years to figure this out?

Kodak stock has been a dog for a while. The only argument is over when it will hit bottom.

71 posted on 01/14/2004 11:20:53 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Digital cameras will have to reach 10 megapixels

8 and 12 is already on the market. Starting to get interesting. Some even have SLR features such as interchangeable lenses, and the prices are almost in the range where personal budgets can start thinking about them. Most of the little digital cameras are junk, but I have seen some instamatics that could, under ideal conditions, produce a very nice hi-res picture. These new cameras weight almost nothing even with huge lenses on them. We're almost there.

72 posted on 01/14/2004 11:22:13 AM PST by RightWhale (How many technological objections will be raised?)
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To: Aquinasfan
"Kodak stock has been a dog for a while. The only argument is over when it will hit bottom."


Fuji is Kodak's demise. Better film for a cheaper price.
73 posted on 01/14/2004 11:23:13 AM PST by A. Patriot
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To: Psycho_Runner
I'm sure there will be purists who use film for some time, just like there are people who still use manual typewriters. Only they have to go online to find ribbons, and the same will happen with the film purists.

Film as a mass consumer product is dead, however. The shots most folks take doesn't need the dignity that real film provides, anyway. The advantages of digital photo manipulation are the only possible salvation for these people's snapshots.

74 posted on 01/14/2004 11:23:29 AM PST by hunter112
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To: egarvue
Me too! Why pay to develop all those pics that didn't come out so great! Just get the favorites!!
75 posted on 01/14/2004 11:24:42 AM PST by tutstar ( <{{---><)
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To: egarvue
I don't know Walgreens pricing, but other places usually run about $0.25-40 for a 4x6 print depending on the kiosk. I've found the Fuji kiosks to be the best. Kodak is a good 2nd place. 8x10s run @$3-8 depending on where you do it, but you usually have to turn the process over to them since most kiosks won't handle 8x10s.

I try to do as much as I can at home - I picked up a new Canon printer and they have seperated the ink cartridges/colors (including two blacks - one for text, one for photos), which helps drive down the costs of the ink.

The only bad thing about turning the process over to somebody else is they may not care about the colors and calibration.

76 posted on 01/14/2004 11:28:08 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: George from New England
I stopped buying Kodak when they fired a Christian employee ONLY because he was confronted with pro-homosexual memos and sent some memos of his own.

Ditto here!! I sent them an email concerning their discrimination but they blew it off. I believe their HR Dept. is 100% homo-promo!

77 posted on 01/14/2004 11:29:54 AM PST by kapn kuek
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To: af_vet_rr
"The only bad thing about turning the process over to somebody else is they may not care about the colors and calibration."

Ever see the movie "One Hour Photo" with Robin Williams? Kind of scary.
78 posted on 01/14/2004 11:31:50 AM PST by A. Patriot
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To: obeylittle
I have a digital camera, but for serious photos, I love to get out my old SLR

Canon just released a Digital SLR (DSLR) for less than $1000 that takes all of the old and new Canon glass (EOS mount) that worked with their regular film SLR cameras. I picked one up and love it. You get the best of both worlds, and while the price is still high, at least your investments can last for a long time.

Nikon and Fuji and a few others (Pentax, etc.) are releasing DSLRs this spring for under $1000 as well, so by this time next year, you could probably pick up one for @$600 or so.

Pricey I know, but I've spent more on this or that lens, or flash or whatever, than I ever did on my SLR body.

It's nice to be able to control every single little thing and to select the right lens for the right situation. Hopefully my wife won't try to get rid of it (we have been hiking a lot and hitting various caverns and parks on the weekends and she claims I spend %95 of the time taking pics :-) )

79 posted on 01/14/2004 11:35:29 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: jaz.357
NOW Sony has an 8 mexapixal on the market!

Yes, and it's bad. Very bad. Basically the sensor is a lot smaller than a comparable 5MP or 6MP sensor and the noise (film grain if you were looking at a print) in certain situations at ISO64-200 is worse than a comparable 6MP at ISO 400-1600 under the same conditions.

They are catching hell over noise and general image quality on a lot of photo sites. They probably rushed it out the door to make the holiday sales is what I'm guessing, because the $1000 crowd is not the crowd to knowingly upset - they are the ones that recommened the $200-400 Sony cameras to their relatives.

8MP is almost wasted on many people as well (or they could better spend their money elsewhere). A good 5MP or 6MP will do an 8x10 or 11x13 and you can't tell the difference 99% of the time between it and a film camera.

80 posted on 01/14/2004 11:45:13 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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