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Conservatives Should Support the President Now and in November Becauseā€¦
Jewish World Review, January ^ | January 13, 2004 | Martha Zoller

Posted on 01/13/2004 1:38:02 PM PST by quidnunc

…They Asked for His Kind of Leadership

You hear it in the coffee shops all over the "red areas" of the map. Everyone knows that is where the real politics is discussed in America. Conservatives are asking themselves, "What was the President thinking?" They might be talking about No Child Left Behind, or steel tariffs or the signing of many less than conservative bills.

In the coffee shops in the "blue areas," liberals don't sit around much. They are too angry and busy to stop for a while but many are thinking that President Bush is the most conservative president in years, since "oh, my God, Reagan," and he must be stopped.

Both of these assessments cannot be true and after spending years looking at politics, I took my first serious stand on a candidate in 1968 at the tender age of 9, if both sides are mad at you, you are probably on the right track. So why should conservatives and moderates support the President, now on issues and later this year at the ballot box?

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Based on the history of this President, we better not count him out till we see how things unfold. He is what conservatives asked for in a President. He cut taxes, got our economy going again and lives and breathes the safety of this country and the people in it. When it is all said and done, George W. Bush does what he believes is right for the American people and he is willing to stand on his record in November.

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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
To save us from ourselves. That is what he asserts.
701 posted on 01/15/2004 12:27:10 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
His reasoning is that if we elect a socialist it will prevent us from becoming like Canada. Now how do you argue with logic like that?
702 posted on 01/15/2004 12:29:02 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
A serious eye-roller, this one.
703 posted on 01/15/2004 12:32:05 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (I love my Green Bay Packers! GO PATRIOTS!)
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To: Texasforever
LOL
704 posted on 01/15/2004 12:32:25 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (I love my Green Bay Packers! GO PATRIOTS!)
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To: Texasforever
Ponder this , economic growth based on low taxes leads to deficit reduction/elimination.

Yeah, that's a nice theory. But it's only a theory. When was that last time the US ran a surplus or even a balanced budget? I can tell you it was before I was born. And right now we are heading for record deficits - it has nothing to do with taxes. It has everything to do with spending.

705 posted on 01/15/2004 7:00:06 AM PST by Nanodik (Libertarian, Ex-Canadian)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Gridlock.
706 posted on 01/15/2004 7:01:45 AM PST by Nanodik (Libertarian, Ex-Canadian)
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To: Texasforever
Ponder this , economic growth based on low taxes leads to deficit reduction/elimination

To clarify my earlier argument, your assertion is fundamentally flawed. A more proper statement would be:

"Lowering taxes can lead to higher receipts.

Since our tax system is based on output, there is no guarantee that lowering taxes will lead to more receipts (Laffer Curve) if output does not grow at a high enough rate to make up for the lowering of the marginal rate.

Saying that deficits are reduced by lowering taxes is not correct because the basic formula for determining the size of deficit is such:

Govt Receipts - Outlays = Surplus / (Deficit)

Notice that outlays are independent of receipts. The real problem here is the outlays, and Dubya has done nothing but increase those outlays. As I said before, "it's the spending, stupid".

Don't feel bad, Tex, I know economics in Texas comes in 3 forms: Home, cattle futures and oil futures. The rest of the world is a little more complex though...

707 posted on 01/15/2004 11:21:05 AM PST by Nanodik (Libertarian, Ex-Canadian)
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To: Southack
defaulting on debt, leasing unused federal land, running printing presses, etc.).

Sigh.... Perhaps we need to go back and define "tax". An economist would argue that anytime the govt takes "value" from the economy, it is levying a tax. It need not come in the form of traditional withholding from the paycheck or having a person file a return. So if the govt starts increasing the money supply to jack up the inflation rate, it is taking "value" away from people's cash and govt security holdings. If they lease land, then they are taking value away from the general public by assigning the land to a specific person or entity. If they sell assets, they take "public" assets and convert them to private ones, thereby removing the public interest in that land. If they default, all the holders of govt securities get stuck by having value removed from their savings, in addition to having the economy suffer through a banking crisis. All of these things take value from the general public. They are all taxes. The form does not matter, the substance does.

708 posted on 01/15/2004 11:38:31 AM PST by Nanodik (Libertarian, Ex-Canadian)
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To: Nanodik
"All of these things take value from the general public."

What value(s) have the Iraqi people "lost" due to defaulting on $115 Billion in European and Russian debt?

Just as stocks can go to zero net worth, so too can bonds and various loan notes. Thus, all debt is not always paid; hence, not all debt ends up being a future burden to the debtor(s).

709 posted on 01/15/2004 12:15:11 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: auboy
Then that gives me hope.
710 posted on 01/15/2004 2:55:30 PM PST by meema
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To: Southack
What value(s) have the Iraqi people "lost" due to defaulting on $115 Billion in European and Russian debt?

Well, the Iraqi people did not loose anything on defaulting on the debt, but then again the US does not do that kind of financing. When the US sells securities, it is done on an open market auction where virtually anyone can buy the bonds/notes. If the bonds/notes are defaulted on, the holders could (and would) include US citizens, US banks, US companies, etc.

711 posted on 01/15/2004 6:42:29 PM PST by Nanodik (Libertarian, Ex-Canadian)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Our Canadian friend has no knowledge of how our system works. hopefully he can learn to listen instead of criticizing something he knows very little about.

Beg to differ. It looks like most posters around here don't know exactly what a deficit is or how it is created.

712 posted on 01/15/2004 8:02:27 PM PST by Nanodik (Libertarian, Ex-Canadian)
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To: Texasforever
SS will require some form of both privatization and means testing in order to remain viable.

It is hard for me to believe that Bush would be so bold and stupid as to deal out one big social program after another without coming out with a big piece of red meat for the base before the election. My prediction was that he was going to announce a bold plan to privatize SS. He is either keeping his cards close to his chest or he really is the stupid socialist I have been making him out to be. We will know for sure in about 7 months.

713 posted on 01/15/2004 8:08:18 PM PST by Nanodik (Libertarian, Ex-Canadian)
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To: Texasforever
He says he is now a citizen of the US and is here to save us from ourselves though I have not seen him disagree with his former country's policies.

It looks like you got most of your information on my homeland from watching "Duddly Do-Right" cartoons. I am not sure you understand exactly what a rare bird it is to be a libertarian hailing from Canada.

714 posted on 01/15/2004 8:12:33 PM PST by Nanodik (Libertarian, Ex-Canadian)
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To: Badray
Remember 9/11?

I do.

George W. Bush does.

I may not agree with everything that this President does,
but there is no possible way that I will let that make me forget that....

THE WAR ON TERROR AND IT'S CONTINUATION IS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE AND THAT SHOULD NOT BE FORGOTTEN!

So my suggestion to you and the other "conservatives" who vow not to vote for W is this:

Just take a look at the alternatives.

GET OVER IT!




715 posted on 01/15/2004 8:29:27 PM PST by Doninnj
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To: Nanodik
Govt Receipts - Outlays = Surplus / (Deficit)

Gross recipts is a function of economic growth which is a function of fiscal policy, in this instance, tax cuts.

Deficit spending can be a good thing or a bad thing but to deny that tax cuts effect deficts is economically unsound thinking.

716 posted on 01/15/2004 8:37:51 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Doninnj
Amen.
717 posted on 01/15/2004 8:39:26 PM PST by Howlin
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To: jwalsh07
Gross recipts is a function of economic growth which is a function of fiscal policy, in this instance, tax cuts

If you are a Keynesian, then you would believe such hogwash. Most contemporary economic thought is more along the lines of the monetarists. Money supply is the key and fiscal policy is useless. Now, that is not to say that low taxes are not good, because they are. But fiscal policy (using the federal budget to moderate economic activity) is a dead issue. Low taxes attract capital. Constant growth of money supply keeps everyone confident in making investments.

718 posted on 01/15/2004 8:43:58 PM PST by Nanodik (Libertarian, Ex-Canadian)
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To: Nanodik
If you are a Keynesian, then you would believe such hogwash

LOL, you must be kidding? There is a significant difference between the Keynesians and the supply siders and I leave that as an exercise for you to figure out.

719 posted on 01/15/2004 9:00:44 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
There is a significant difference between the Keynesians and the supply siders and I leave that as an exercise for you to figure out

You'll have to explain "supply siders". This may go along the lines of a "neo-classicalist" but I am not sure as I often here this in the popular media, but having not encountered it in an economic text, I am not sure what it means exactly. You seem to be describing the typical Keynesian formula for success where govt runs deficit during slow grown / recession, backs off in good times, etc.

720 posted on 01/15/2004 9:09:21 PM PST by Nanodik (Libertarian, Ex-Canadian)
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