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I'm With John Madden: No More Commercial Flying For Me
Chuck Baldwin Ministries ^ | 01-13-03 | Baldwin, Chuck

Posted on 01/13/2004 9:57:51 AM PST by Theodore R.

I'm With John Madden: No More Commercial Flying For Me

By Chuck Baldwin

Food For Thought From The Chuck Wagon

January 13, 2004 After retiring from coaching, former Oakland Raiders Head Coach and now popular sportscaster John Madden hung up his wings. He had been forced to spend numerous hours flying commercial airliners with his NFL team, but upon retiring he said, "No more flying for me."

When first approached to take a position as a professional sportscaster, Madden said he would only consider the offer if he could travel to games via a bus. The networks agreed, and Madden hasn't flown since. I think Madden has the right idea.

While Madden's decision to stay out of the "friendly" skies was made several years before the terrorist attacks in 2001 and was doubtless made for other, and more personal, reasons, it seems especially sagacious in light of recent decisions by the Bush administration. According to the Washington Post and CBS News, President Bush plans to color code every passenger who flies a commercial airliner.

News reports state that airlines and airline reservation companies would be forced to turn over all passenger records to U.S. government officials. The government would then assign a color code to each passenger, ostensibly determined by the passenger's "threat level."

Passengers would be assigned a red, yellow, or green color. A red coded passenger would be stopped from boarding; yellow would require additional screening at security checkpoints, and green would mean only standard security for boarding. The government plans to implement the new system next month.

Reports also quote Transportation Security Administration (TSA) spokesmen as saying frequent flyers could receive special passes which would allow faster check-in if they were willing to allow the government to access their personal information. Of course, this information would be entered into a government database.

To any person familiar with the incremental methods used by totalitarian regimes to regulate and control their populations, this latest measure being enacted by President Bush can only be regarded as "scary." By now, it should be obvious to every thinking person that the Bush administration is composed of a bunch of "control freaks" who are attempting to turn America into a police state!

Freedom and independence are extremely fragile commodities. They can only be maintained by an alert and vigilant citizenry. Unless the people of the United States awaken from their obvious passivity, what freedoms we have left will quickly vanish!

It's time to face it: President Bush is no friend of liberty, and neither is he a friend to constitutional government nor national sovereignty. Four more years of a Bush administration could very well mean the death knell of freedom in these United States.

The character and constitutional ignorance of Washington politicians being what they are, the only scenario that offers even a modicum of opportunity for freedom to last a while longer is for one party to occupy the White House while the other party controls Congress. It seems party stalemate is about the only thing that is somewhat favorable to freedom these days.

Obviously, the ideal solution would be for Americans to throw off the current two-party system altogether and elect independent men and women of real honor and character who would have the courage to obey the U.S. Constitution and to restore the principles contained in the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights.

In the meantime, if one wants a foretaste of a burgeoning police state, just try boarding a commercial airline. Of course, once air travel has been completely Gestapoized, it's only a matter of time for ground travel. Until then, however, I think I'll postpone the leap into Big Brother's Brave New World by getting on the bus with John Madden.

© Chuck Baldwin


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bravenewworld; bush; civilliberties; commercialflight; controlfreaks; johnmadden; terrorism; threatlevel; totalitarianism
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
How can you tell if someone is a Muslim by looking at them in the airport?

It's tattoed on the back of 'is neck!

81 posted on 01/13/2004 3:07:13 PM PST by Lazamataz (I slam, you slam, we all slam, for Islam !)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
It's easy to tell if someone is a Muslim. Offer them a ham sandwich and make them pet a dog before they get on the plane.
82 posted on 01/13/2004 3:08:07 PM PST by Terry Mross
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To: Terry Mross
by looking at them in the airport
83 posted on 01/13/2004 3:09:43 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Freedom is a package deal - with it comes responsibilities and consequences.)
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To: realpatriot71
Re your post 19. I go one step further and say that I positively will never fly again. Luckily for me, I am retired and have that option; I feel sorry for those good folks who have the same feelings I have but have to fly because their jobs require it.
84 posted on 01/13/2004 4:00:19 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: 1L
I thought he worked out an agreement with Winnebago wherein he provided several motivational speeches to their employees in exchange for a bus and a driver. At least that's what I seem to recall from his book, but that was many years ago.
85 posted on 01/13/2004 4:54:17 PM PST by diamondjoe
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To: Hodar
That's bad science.

Alcohol-related impairment is trivial to measure. Any fine motor skill and intellectual skill test will measure impairment from even very small consumption of alcohol.

What it doesn't measure is impairment that matters.

If impairment is the issue, let's ban driving after taking most antihistamines. They are far more dangerous than 0.08BAC. Then let's start with all other presription medications. OHHHHHH! The roads would be emtpy! OHHHH! The drug companies would get sued! OHHHH! No "rehab" scams. No, let's stick to making social drinkers into "drunk drivers."
86 posted on 01/13/2004 5:24:56 PM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: eno_
0.08 - 0.09% Feelings of euphoria may occur. Motor skills are clearly impaired, mild speech impairment may become noticeable; balance may be affected; recognition of cognitive and motor deficits is lost, and the drinker believes s/he is functioning better than s/he actually is, depression if present may become more pronounced. feeling "buzzed."

The FACT that people have debilitated motor skills, and have no conscious idea that they are even slightly impaired isn't cause for concern on your planet? People with a 'buzz', who feel they have something to prove is all part of a scam?

If you can show a study that shows that people have a greater than 4x incidence of having a traffic accident when they are taking antihistamines, present it. I have presented the facts as they are accepted by the medical and law enforcement communities. You have ranted. What's a matter; tip a few too many beers and went for a drive?

How many loved ones have you buried because some drunk had a 'disease' and decided to drive 80 mph through a stop sign? Attending the funeral of a friend who lost his wife and 2 daughters to one of these self-centered drunks is a really good treatment for a person with as uneducated attitude as yours. I hope you never, ever experience that form of education.

87 posted on 01/13/2004 6:41:18 PM PST by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Hodar
Why limit your outrage to alcohol. As I pointed out, antihistamines are more dangerous.

Why don't we ruin lives, imprison, subject to quack rehab, and fine into penury users of Benadryl that drive? That would be at least as effective in saving lives.
88 posted on 01/13/2004 7:42:56 PM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: Hodar
Nope. I allowed myself to br "breathalysed" once before I learned how dangerous that can be. If anyone tried to lay a bum DUI on me I'd mess him up good. I have a big problem with systemic corruption, and I'd not fight clean.

You should check out which organizations are pushing ridiculous drunk driving standards. Then ask yourself if you want to make common cause with them.
89 posted on 01/13/2004 7:48:09 PM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: diamondjoe
I thought he worked out an agreement with Winnebago wherein he provided several motivational speeches to their employees in exchange for a bus and a driver. At least that's what I seem to recall from his book, but that was many years ago.

The original agreement was with Greyhound, and it was as you said a bus and a driver in exchange for motivational speeches. But that was like 1988, several years after he started doing NFL games.

Around the time he went to Fox, he had corporate sponsors buying and furnishing his bus. When I saw it, about 3 or 4 years ago, the Madden Cruiser was sponsored by Outback Steakhouse. I think it still is, but the one I found on the web is not the one I remember seeing in person, so I'm sure he's gone through a few.

This is all trivial. My point was only that the writer was too sloppy with easy reporting to give any weight to anything else.

90 posted on 01/13/2004 7:53:16 PM PST by 1L
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To: eno_
You've made the allegation that Benadryl and antihistimines somehow impair driving. Do you have ANYTHING to back that up?

You certainly don't want to compare the number of deaths due to drunk drivers to those taking allergy medicine, do you? So, where's you data .... or is this all just made up data?
91 posted on 01/13/2004 9:23:41 PM PST by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Theodore R.
This system will be easily expanded as the funding increases.

Eventually they'll expand it to getting a driver's license, etc...

And then they'll just make it a crime to get classified as "red" or "yellow". Of course, they won't tell you the criteria for getting classified that way.

Living in a police state sucks.

92 posted on 01/13/2004 9:28:35 PM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: Theodore R.
I have no problem flying 'the friendly skies.' And it's about dang time the feds start tracking who's on those planes. Most of us will be fine, but possible terrorists are much more likely to get stopped with these data bases. My 'privacy concerns' center mostly on a neighborhood nut who peeks into windows, with the police saying it's 'not a police matter.'
93 posted on 01/13/2004 9:46:58 PM PST by WaterDragon (GWB is The MAN!)
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To: Hodar
And I don't want to bet ~3,000 lives that the 'odd chance' will happen again.

And what's the carnage on the highways in a year? Why don't we forbid driving, then, so as to eliminate this, not chance, but SURE THING?

5 punks with a blade is no match for an angry tourist with the typical carry-on bag that's big enough to give a rhinoceros a concussion.

94 posted on 01/14/2004 12:17:15 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: 1L
Huh? It was never actually claimed that Madden chose to forego flying because of the security/privacy hassles. It would be akin to writing "like the Sphynx, I remain silent."
95 posted on 01/14/2004 12:27:55 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Hodar
You are the one who seems to have swallowed the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and Center for Science in the Public Interest data hook line and sinker.

If 0.08BAC is "drunk," then, of course, there are a lot of "drunks" on the road.

I just think the next time you get pulled over the cop should ask for a list of medications you are on, and if any have side effects that could impair driving, your license should be pulled.
96 posted on 01/14/2004 5:13:24 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: Hodar
http://dermatology.jwatch.org/cgi/content/full/2000/401/1

Try This:

"Sedating Antihistamines: Don't Drive or Use Heavy Machinery"
97 posted on 01/14/2004 5:27:00 AM PST by DanTheAdmin
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To: Hodar
You've made the allegation that Benadryl and antihistimines somehow impair driving. Do you have ANYTHING to back that up?

Go to your nearest drugstore. Peruse the labels on antihistamines for the words "DO NOT DRIVE OR OPERATE HEAVY MACHINERY".

We'll wait....

98 posted on 01/14/2004 7:06:32 AM PST by steve-b
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Huh? It was never actually claimed that Madden chose to forego flying because of the security/privacy hassles.

Huh is right. Since I never claimed as much, I'm not sure what you are referring to.

99 posted on 01/14/2004 9:28:05 AM PST by 1L
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Lady Composer
5 punks with a blade is no match for an angry tourist with the typical carry-on bag that's big enough to give a rhinoceros a concussion.

That would be me. :-) I wouldn't go down in an airplane hijacking without a fight - I ain't 1/4 Fighting Irish for nothing!!!

Or it could be just about any other parent of a sports competitor. I carry all kinds of stuff in there that I'll need to keep myself occupied at my daughter's gymnastics meets, as well as a kit for emergency "beauty and hair" repairs ;-), not to mention water bottles for hydration and first aid for injuries.

100 posted on 01/14/2004 12:25:56 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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