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Poll Hints Bush Immigrant Plans Unpopular
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Posted on 01/13/2004 8:55:32 AM PST by Happy2BMe

Poll Hints Bush Immigrant Plans Unpopular

NewsMax.com Wires
Tuesday, Jan. 13, 2004
WASHINGTON -- More than half of Americans oppose President Bush's plan that would allow some illegal immigrants to stay for several years to work jobs U.S. citizens don't want, a poll indicates.

Just over half, 55 percent, said they oppose the plan, while 42 percent favor it, according to a CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll out Monday.

By a 2-1 margin, those in the poll said immigrants hurt the economy by driving wages down for many Americans rather than help the economy by providing low-cost labor. In 2000, people were split on that question.

When people were asked whether the United States should make it easier for illegal immigrants to become citizens, 74 percent said no - up from 67 percent in August 2001.

The poll of 1,003 adults was taken Jan. 9-11 and had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.


TOPICS: Extended News
KEYWORDS: aliens; fox; immigrantlist; immigration; mexico; poll; reform
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To: k2blader
Putting aside the facts that illegal immigration is wrong

Lots of things are wrong yet sometimes cops let people go with a warning or DA chose not to prosecute where common sense dictates.

rewarding illegal immigration is also wrong and encourages more illegal immigration,

Under this plan people who are already here illegally are not given any preference, indeed they pay a fine nobody else pays. That doesn't sound like a reward to me.

do you honestly believe the illegals will happily "register", pay fines, and promptly leave the country after 3 years?

That's why we need a carrot and stick approach. The idea here is that given a legal pool of foreign labor employers will stay out of the black market and illegals won't be able to find work and will deport themselves. That requires enforcement of course, but there's still plenty of room for that in this proposal. In fact this plan would remove a lot of the pressures both external and internal to the bureaucracy that prevent enforcement.

81 posted on 01/13/2004 2:03:43 PM PST by MattAMiller
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To: Happy2BMe; AbsoluteJustice
Bump for later review
82 posted on 01/13/2004 2:04:05 PM PST by The_Eaglet
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To: Brian Allen
Illegals Are Destroying America - A Letter To Rep Tom Tancredo

Tancredo Blasts Immigration Plan

Mexican ambassador criticizes Tancredo over ID card debate

Tom Tancredo's version of Immigration Reform - H.R. 3534 (introduced by Rep. Tom Tancredo)

83 posted on 01/13/2004 2:04:41 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: Happy2BMe; hattend
<< I'm going to the local Republican Party meeting tonight.

Should be interesting. May do a separate thread on it. >>

Please do -- and give me a ping?

I'm sure we'll all be very interested to see how this one plays where you're at.
84 posted on 01/13/2004 2:06:32 PM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: k2blader; keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; Capitalist Eric; hershey; TomInNJ; blam; ...
"It'd be interesting also to see what percentage of those disapproving are still planning to vote for Prez Bush."

A very high percentage will.

An even higher number are seeing red in multiple technicolor.

Nails are being spit across the room and there is lots of hog tying going on.

Other than that, everybody's happy - business as usual.

85 posted on 01/13/2004 2:09:38 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: Hoverbug
What in Bush's plan stops the following from happening?...

I agree. I can swallow the other if they would address tge border problems to keep this from just creating another influx.

86 posted on 01/13/2004 2:14:34 PM PST by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds, the pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Happy2BMe
"... Don't forget that little letter the chancellor of Germany sent to the Mexican president offering to "share the spoils" of the United States if Mexico would attack from the South during WWI."

I don't think Mexico waited a single minute in turning that information over to Washington.

87 posted on 01/13/2004 2:15:57 PM PST by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: normy
Why does this stop illegal immigration and not encourage it?

Because employers would have a legal pool of labor and wouldn't want to risk hiring illegals. Thus illegals will have reason to come over.

Does an illegal immigrant who arrives after this thing would start get to apply for this also, therefore becoming a guest worker too?

Not as currently conceived. If that were to be the case the whole thing would be pointless. I suppose Congress could screw it up though.

Now every single construction company in the U.S has to only pay its workers minimum wage.

If construction work is really so economically valuable then we could just raise the minimum wage.

88 posted on 01/13/2004 2:33:59 PM PST by MattAMiller
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To: gubamyster
All the polls everywhere are showing this!
89 posted on 01/13/2004 2:53:28 PM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: putupon
More:http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/criminals.html
90 posted on 01/13/2004 3:01:21 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (PHASE II: The President has declared a war on poverty.)
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To: B4Ranch
I think they sent one squadron of planes to the Pacific in WW II.(Escort duty)
91 posted on 01/13/2004 3:04:38 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (PHASE II: The President has declared a war on poverty.)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Nice website...thanks for the link
92 posted on 01/13/2004 3:11:33 PM PST by hattend (Mr Bush, the Supremes upheld CFR...what's your plan B? Too late to veto, now)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
When? In the last year of the war? LOL
93 posted on 01/13/2004 3:52:01 PM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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To: B4Ranch
Yep, the Mexican Expiditionary Air Force 201st Squadron, trained in the US, served in the Pacific from June to August, 1945.

There is just a little info online.

94 posted on 01/13/2004 4:05:58 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (PHASE II: The President has declared a war on poverty.)
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To: Brian Allen
"So we'll reward their past and current felonious criminality with the grant of amnesty -- and out of gratitude for that amnesty they -- and their millions of spawn and extended families -- will all depart after three years or six. "

Brian , You can't seriously believe that the illegals won't, out of gratitude, pack up and leave after three years or six.

All it takes is one anchor baby and the go home clause becomes toilet paper.

95 posted on 01/13/2004 4:46:46 PM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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To: AdamSelene235
As long as its the half that doesn't have anywhere else to go, it doesn't matter. What are they going to do, vote Democrat?

The reason GWB is in office today is because many liberals opposed Gore's stance on environmental issues and voted Nader.

98 posted on 01/13/2004 6:04:05 PM PST by HennepinPrisoner
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To: HennepinPrisoner
The reason GWB is in office today is because many liberals opposed Gore's stance on environmental issues and voted Nader

Tell me about. I live near a liberal mecca and their shrill cries are damaging my high frequency hearing.

99 posted on 01/13/2004 7:58:33 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (I always shoot for the moon......sometimes I hit London.- Von Braun)
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To: MattAMiller
Because employers would have a legal pool of labor and wouldn't want to risk hiring illegals. Thus illegals will have reason to come over.

What would be the risk in hiring illegals as opposed to the risk Now?

If construction work is really so economically valuable then we could just raise the minimum wage.

Well I know I worked as a surveyor when I was in my twenties on a 5 mile piece of highway in Dallas that was bid at $250,000,000 and that was only one of three sections. I know there is highway construction right now going on north of Dallas that is certainly bid more than that. I know home builders have been building like crazy for the last 5 or so years putting up quarter of a million dollar houses all over in the DFW metroplex. I assume that is happening in other cities as well so I would say that is a lot of money flowing into the system.

100 posted on 01/13/2004 8:27:29 PM PST by normy (As for my people, children are their oppressors and women rule over them. Isaiah 3:12)
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