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The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave
City Journal / The Manhattan Institute ^ | Winter 2004 | Heather Mac Donald

Posted on 01/12/2004 8:41:26 AM PST by Federalist 78

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To: IYAS9YAS
A simple question...how come politicians are scared of illegals that legally cannot vote them out of office?

To put it simply: because our immigration non-policy of the last 40 years has destroyed any meaningful difference between "legal" and "illegal" as far as immigrants are concerned. It's an open secret here in Orange County that Bob Dornan was voted out of his congressional seat in 1996 by voter fraud involving illegals illegally voting.

Further, there was recently a report that all residents---no matter what the immigration "status"---are counted in determining congressional districts, distribution of taxpayer "goodies," etc. This creates "rotten boroughs" filled with illegal immigrants (e.g., Bob Dornan's old district) where the representatives of such districts wield as much power in our government as those from districts with few immigrants.

But mostly it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. The 1986 amnesty, "sanctuary" laws, corporate scofflaws, the general failure to enforce deportation orders, and now this "reform" proposal illustrate to the politician of average intelligence that as long as an immigrant gets here, no matter how he gets here, he's gonna stay here. And if he's going to stay here, he's gonna be a "constituent" of some politician, and he's gonna vote (legally or not) and want taxpayer services (entitled or not).

When the law doesn't get any respect, the lawbreaker always does. More respect in fact, than the chump who continues to obey the vapid law. That's why politicians are offering illegals bennies like in-state tuition rates, while out-of-state citizens have to pay "alien" rates.

21 posted on 01/12/2004 10:11:11 AM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Federalist 78
As far as I'm concerned, unless you're from California you really don't have an informed opinion on the effects of illegal immigration.
22 posted on 01/12/2004 10:15:44 AM PST by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: Dane
Toilet scrubbing ping.
23 posted on 01/12/2004 10:16:32 AM PST by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: Federalist 78; Ohioan; Happy2BMe; snopercod; Marine Inspector
A FReeper's Guide To Immigration Reform
24 posted on 01/12/2004 10:16:33 AM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: skeeter
Toilet scrubbing ping

Not all illegals are violent criminals and you know it. I guess the homegrown white guy in Georgia who killed four people and kidnapped three kids, is a more noble criminal to you. Afterall he's an American.

25 posted on 01/12/2004 10:20:00 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
Not all illegals are violent criminals and you know it.

Right. Not all are violent criminals. But enough are. Funny how you would think that's an argument in your favor.

I guess the homegrown white guy in Georgia who killed four people and kidnapped three kids, is a more noble criminal to you. Afterall he's an American.

The last refuge (correction: first refuge) of an Open Borders scoundrel is to wrap his opponent in the issue of "race." Do you honestly think we need more violent criminals, of whatever color?

26 posted on 01/12/2004 10:27:10 AM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: skeeter
"As far as I'm concerned, unless you're from California you really don't have an informed opinion on the effects of illegal immigration."

Oh B.S.! I was born and raised in California and I left when I was almost 30 because of the horrendous situation that existed AT THAT TIME! (and it has gotten much, much worse). I now life in Northern Illinois. I can tell you for a fact that the town of Cicero, Illinois is just as bad as most all of the towns in California that have gone to hell because of illegals. Cicero, Illinois is a MEXICAN town, dominated by Mexicans, where the only time the English language is spoken is when an American makes a wrong turn and ends up there, and is pleading for his or her life. The illegal Mexican population of the Chicago area is ENORMOUS! The Mexican flag is for more common that the American flag in many, many towns here. It is horrendous. So don't tell me only Californians can relate to the issue. I've lived in both places, and the two are comparable in many respects.
27 posted on 01/12/2004 10:28:03 AM PST by ought-six
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To: Map Kernow
The last refuge (correction: first refuge) of an Open Borders scoundrel is to wrap his opponent in the issue of "race." Do you honestly think we need more violent criminals, of whatever color?

What refuge? I was just bringing up a point. I unlike you and Liberals don't predicate violent criminals on race(You like to stereo type people by race, by saying all illegal aliens are violent criminals. Liberals stereo type people by race by saying that certain races are prone to crime because of that mean old white man.)

To me a violent criminal is a violent criminal regardless of race. Maybe instead of being a race baiter maybe you should be complaining to the Liberal big city mayors who are promoting reverse racial profiling.

28 posted on 01/12/2004 10:33:30 AM PST by Dane
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To: Federalist 78
The problem of the Mexican worker is overshadowing the larger problem: Those in Mexico who are breaking Mexican law and the United States law by smuggling illegal immigrants from Central America and the middle east into this country with one plan in mind - terrorism and drugs.

”... nearly 30 percent of federal prisoners were foreign-born. The agency couldn’t find enough pro bono attorneys to represent such an army of criminal aliens (who have extensive due-process rights in contesting deportation) and so would have to request delay after delay.

Perhaps a FIRST STEP would be to remove those laws that give alien law breakers rights. Due Process should mean Deportation and that alone. No courts; no lawyer and no tax paid prison time. American Jurisprudence has been turned on it's ear by liberals and liberal judges...we have become a door mat for criminals, not the pinnacle of justice for the victims...the dog wagging the tail. When did alien criminals gain due process? The INS is still the problem by not doing what they are required to do - they simply don't do it!

Get on your congressmen/women - stick their feet in the fire; they are the ones ultimately responsible for any new/reform law that will be written. The criminal element coming across our borders are invaders who are overrunning our border security like any invader would - by stealth. Let the world know that America and Americans will look on any person or persons without legal papers, as a hostile combatant and will be so treated, terrorism knows no boundaries or borders - there are no laws governing the protection of that person's life should he/she trip and kill themselves...

Make no mistake...the Invasion is real and it isn’t about the Mexican day labourer; in a sense that person has become a scapegoat for a far more sinister force entering our country.

29 posted on 01/12/2004 10:35:20 AM PST by yoe (Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the fairest............the Clark mantra)
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To: Federalist 78
Who is gonna pick my lettuce?
30 posted on 01/12/2004 10:41:04 AM PST by junta
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To: Dane
The illegal immigration problem is causing a great increase in the crime rate and overloading our prisons.

Those of you who have no regard for the law have blood on your hands. No wonder this issue makes you go into contortions.

31 posted on 01/12/2004 10:42:53 AM PST by PuNcH
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To: Dane
Keep at it. It seems that the only argument left for the open border types is the race card. Every piece of pap written in fish wraps such as the WSJ could be titled, "Racist Xenophobes threaten America's Lettuce Supply."
32 posted on 01/12/2004 10:44:57 AM PST by junta
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To: IYAS9YAS
Motor-Voter is part of the reason.
33 posted on 01/12/2004 10:48:38 AM PST by Consort
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To: KantianBurke
Look at it this way. If they commit crimes, it gives more jobs to American workers; we need people to apprehend them and keep them in our prisons.

Then their fellow illegals get work in the prisons' kitchens and toilets.
34 posted on 01/12/2004 10:54:14 AM PST by DLfromthedesert (What is the point of fighting in Iraq if we surrender to Vicente?)
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To: goldstategop
Its time Jorge W. Bush understood his job in danger if he continues to make the country less safe by giving illegal aliens license to live here and make themselves at home in it.

He will ignore it because he understands that many people, including pubbies on this site, will have forgotten their anger when November rolls around and will still go in and vote for the "R."

You know it's true. I wish it wasn't. But that's why he will still get the vote.

But I know one vote he will NOT get! I put my country ahead of my party!

35 posted on 01/12/2004 11:15:47 AM PST by navyblue
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To: Federalist 78
All illegal immigrants are criminals who have shown that they are willing to break laws when it is to their benefit. Large numbers are violent offenders.

"A Rockville (Maryland) man pleaded guilty to raping a 5 year old son of the woman from whom he rented a room. Jose Alvarado, 33, also admitted to violating the probation he was given in 1998 when he was convicted of child abuse and 3rd degree sex offense against an 8-year-old boy.

He served 18 months and then was deported to his native El Salvador. But later reappeared in Rockville. ("Man pleads guilty to raping boy, 5," The Washington Times, Jan. 10, 2004, p. A10)

Just one of the many illegals who go after children.

36 posted on 01/12/2004 11:30:18 AM PST by Dante3
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To: joesnuffy
They are only raping. killing. pushing red meth, and robbing the people
American criminals wont
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You forgot they are also stealing cars, breaking into homes and putting La Raza graffiti anywhere and everywhere.
37 posted on 01/12/2004 11:30:25 AM PST by Selene
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To: Federalist 78
Bump!
38 posted on 01/12/2004 11:32:31 AM PST by k2blader (I will shake the nations, and the desired of all nations will come. - Haggai 2:7 -)
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To: Federalist 78
depressing

"If immigration officials ever do try to conduct an industry-wide investigation—which will at least net the illegal employees, if not the employers—local congressmen will almost certainly head it off"

I guess it's too late to say that the US might become as corrupt as Mexico.

All states with a substantial illegal population need an old-fashioned reconstruction.

40 posted on 01/12/2004 12:03:59 PM PST by Tauzero (The Centre is planning a new urea-pricing policy for fresh investments)
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