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To: Mark
Depending on whom you listen to, President George W. Bush's stab at immigration reform amounts to either a get-in-free card for millions of law-breaking "invaders," or further exploitation of the nation's poor and oppressed undocumented workers.

That's a good sign. If Bush can offend both the die-hard nativists and the open-borders fanatics at the same time, he must be doing something right.

When someone opens up a discussion on this topic in this manner, there's no need to continue reading.

This guy sees die-hard nativists and open-borders fanatics as two ends of the spectrum.  Whoa fella, wait just a minute there.

The citizens of the United States of America have every right to object to the language of their home region being changed to a foreign language, in full or even in part.  They have every right to object to the creation of instant slums, high crime rates and regions where loyalties and allegence to a foreign nation take precidence over loyalties and allegence to our the United States of America.

The citizens of the United States of America have every right to object to paying for the education of tens of millions of children who should not be here, whose parents pay very little into the system to support the costs of their own children's education.

The citizens of the United States of American have every right to object to providing healthcare to these illegal immigrants for free, when they themselves can barely afford skyrocketing healthcare costs.

The citizens of the United States of American should NEVER have to face disqualification for employment because they do not speak a foreign language on the soil of the United States of America.

Refering to the citizen of the United States who object to these things as 'die-hard nativists' is an insult of the highest order.  What single objection to a policy above, would position someone out of the absolute mainstream?  There isn't a citizen of any nation on the planet that would or should accept their nation being subjegated to servitude to an illegal class of invader.

The citizens of the United States have their incomes ripped away from them to pay for people who have invaded our nation, are occupying it's territory and are breaking it's laws every moment they are here.  Since when is this the ugly opposite end of the spectrum, of someone who advocates this?  No, the opposite end of the spectrum would be citizens of the United States who objected to any legal immigrants from another state.  And while that is in fact a good idea until present invaders are expelled or assimiliated, that is not the long-term goal of those who object to illegal immigration.  They want reasoned immigration policies enforced on immigrants from every nation.  Is that radical?  Evidently this nin-compoop thinks so.

Anyone who defends any of the policies issues I have described normal citizens of the United States objecting to, is an open border fanatic.  I'll grant the writer that.  And the use of this term by him wasn't without some rather focused intent.  By calling those folks open border fanatics, he sought to position himself to besmirch the character of people who have every right to make the judgements they have regarding their personal funds, jobs, communities, regions, states, and nation being pried away from them.

This write is either a useful idiot or a focused promoter of the underground that seeks to advance illegal immigrants and the damage they are doing to this nation and it's citizen, irrevocably.

Who among us would knowingly grant a certain group of citizens of the United States the right to make a decent living from cash payments not reported to the IRS, then get their children's education, the family healthcare and other goods and services for free, all the while the other US citizens were having to pay for it?  That is precisely what we are granting to people who are not citizens.  Why?

5 posted on 01/11/2004 2:53:08 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
What a great article you wrote!

Send it to the NY Limes. I just read an article from them about how wonderful it is for America to have illegal immigrants because they are this and that and all they do blah, blah.

But nowhere was it in their article about what you said above.

Thanks for making my day!

6 posted on 01/11/2004 3:02:55 PM PST by GOPologist
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To: DoughtyOne
The President's plan deals with today's reality, not the way we wish it could be. Electronic fingerprinting should be required of all visitors to the United States.

Future Illegals should not be immediately deported but rather those from the south should be sent to prison in Northern Alaska for a period, those from Northern climates might spend time in Death Valley.

Employers should be required to have documentation on hand. Those who hire illegals should face a minimum 1 year in jail per illegal employee.

We need both carrot and big stick to deal with our border situation.
8 posted on 01/11/2004 3:10:29 PM PST by stocksthatgoup
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To: DoughtyOne; GOPologist
DoughtyOne Charges In . .

"The citizens of the United States of America have every right to object to the language of their home region being changed to a foreign language, in full or even in part. They have every right to object to the creation of instant slums, high crime rates and regions where loyalties and allegence to a foreign nation take precidence over loyalties and allegence to our the United States of America.

"The citizens of the United States of America have every right to object to paying for the education of tens of millions of children who should not be here, whose parents pay very little into the system to support the costs of their own children's education.

"The citizens of the United States of American have every right to object to providing healthcare to these illegal immigrants for free, when they themselves can barely afford skyrocketing healthcare costs.

"The citizens of the United States of America should NEVER have to face disqualification for employment because they do not speak a foreign language on the soil of the United States of America.

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We talking legal citizens here, right?

9 posted on 01/11/2004 3:11:32 PM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: DoughtyOne
I guess Bush could have ignored this subject like it has been ignored for more than two decades. He just put out some ideas, no executive order. It will be up to Congress to try to pass some legislation. This author ponts out some of the problems, but gives Bush credit for getting the ball rolling. Maybe Congress will ignore the problem again.
11 posted on 01/11/2004 3:19:31 PM PST by Mark (Treason doth never prosper, for if it prosper, NONE DARE CALL IT TREASON.)
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To: DoughtyOne; Sabertooth
Well thought out D.O. - kudos!

"Anyone who defends any of the policies issues I have described normal citizens of the United States objecting to, is an open border fanatic." - PING

13 posted on 01/11/2004 3:27:18 PM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: DoughtyOne
Bravo!!
16 posted on 01/11/2004 3:31:06 PM PST by Nea Wood (Democrats - they throw OUR money at THEIR problems.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Great post !!
17 posted on 01/11/2004 3:44:25 PM PST by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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