Immigrant Plan Makes Sense But Work Ahead (L.A. Daily News)

Los Angeles Daily News ^ | Jan 11, 2004 | Chris Weinkopf

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[Mark]

That's a good sign. If Bush can offend both the die-hard nativists and the open-borders fanatics at the same time, he must be doing something right.

Interesting.

[DoughtyOne]

Depending on whom you listen to, President George W. Bush's stab at immigration reform amounts to either a get-in-free card for millions of law-breaking "invaders," or further exploitation of the nation's poor and oppressed undocumented workers.

That's a good sign. If Bush can offend both the die-hard nativists and the open-borders fanatics at the same time, he must be doing something right.

When someone opens up a discussion on this topic in this manner, there's no need to continue reading.

This guy sees die-hard nativists and open-borders fanatics as two ends of the spectrum.  Whoa fella, wait just a minute there.

The citizens of the United States of America have every right to object to the language of their home region being changed to a foreign language, in full or even in part.  They have every right to object to the creation of instant slums, high crime rates and regions where loyalties and allegence to a foreign nation take precidence over loyalties and allegence to our the United States of America.

The citizens of the United States of America have every right to object to paying for the education of tens of millions of children who should not be here, whose parents pay very little into the system to support the costs of their own children's education.

The citizens of the United States of American have every right to object to providing healthcare to these illegal immigrants for free, when they themselves can barely afford skyrocketing healthcare costs.

The citizens of the United States of American should NEVER have to face disqualification for employment because they do not speak a foreign language on the soil of the United States of America.

Refering to the citizen of the United States who object to these things as 'die-hard nativists' is an insult of the highest order.  What single objection to a policy above, would position someone out of the absolute mainstream?  There isn't a citizen of any nation on the planet that would or should accept their nation being subjegated to servitude to an illegal class of invader.

The citizens of the United States have their incomes ripped away from them to pay for people who have invaded our nation, are occupying it's territory and are breaking it's laws every moment they are here.  Since when is this the ugly opposite end of the spectrum, of someone who advocates this?  No, the opposite end of the spectrum would be citizens of the United States who objected to any legal immigrants from another state.  And while that is in fact a good idea until present invaders are expelled or assimiliated, that is not the long-term goal of those who object to illegal immigration.  They want reasoned immigration policies enforced on immigrants from every nation.  Is that radical?  Evidently this nin-compoop thinks so.

Anyone who defends any of the policies issues I have described normal citizens of the United States objecting to, is an open border fanatic.  I'll grant the writer that.  And the use of this term by him wasn't without some rather focused intent.  By calling those folks open border fanatics, he sought to position himself to besmirch the character of people who have every right to make the judgements they have regarding their personal funds, jobs, communities, regions, states, and nation being pried away from them.

This write is either a useful idiot or a focused promoter of the underground that seeks to advance illegal immigrants and the damage they are doing to this nation and it's citizen, irrevocably.

Who among us would knowingly grant a certain group of citizens of the United States the right to make a decent living from cash payments not reported to the IRS, then get their children's education, the family healthcare and other goods and services for free, all the while the other US citizens were having to pay for it?  That is precisely what we are granting to people who are not citizens.  Why?

[GOPologist]

What a great article you wrote!

Send it to the NY Limes. I just read an article from them about how wonderful it is for America to have illegal immigrants because they are this and that and all they do blah, blah.

But nowhere was it in their article about what you said above.

Thanks for making my day!

[Joe Hadenuf]

Immigrant plan makes sense but work ahead

Trying to sell this plan makes as much sense as realtor driving clients around to see homes with a boom box blasting.....

[stocksthatgoup]

The President's plan deals with today's reality, not the way we wish it could be. Electronic fingerprinting should be required of all visitors to the United States.

Future Illegals should not be immediately deported but rather those from the south should be sent to prison in Northern Alaska for a period, those from Northern climates might spend time in Death Valley.

Employers should be required to have documentation on hand. Those who hire illegals should face a minimum 1 year in jail per illegal employee.

We need both carrot and big stick to deal with our border situation.

[Happy2BMe]

DoughtyOne Charges In . .

"The citizens of the United States of America have every right to object to the language of their home region being changed to a foreign language, in full or even in part. They have every right to object to the creation of instant slums, high crime rates and regions where loyalties and allegence to a foreign nation take precidence over loyalties and allegence to our the United States of America.

"The citizens of the United States of America have every right to object to paying for the education of tens of millions of children who should not be here, whose parents pay very little into the system to support the costs of their own children's education.

"The citizens of the United States of American have every right to object to providing healthcare to these illegal immigrants for free, when they themselves can barely afford skyrocketing healthcare costs.

"The citizens of the United States of America should NEVER have to face disqualification for employment because they do not speak a foreign language on the soil of the United States of America.

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We talking legal citizens here, right?

[Happy2BMe]

"Those who hire illegals should face a minimum 1 year in jail per illegal employee."

There go the vegetables, cotton, poultry, beef, corn, and textile industries.

[Mark]

I guess Bush could have ignored this subject like it has been ignored for more than two decades. He just put out some ideas, no executive order. It will be up to Congress to try to pass some legislation. This author ponts out some of the problems, but gives Bush credit for getting the ball rolling. Maybe Congress will ignore the problem again.

[DoughtyOne]

To: DoughtyOne

The President's plan deals with today's reality, not the way we wish it could be. Electronic fingerprinting should be required of all visitors to the United States.

Perhaps you and the President can explain how fingerprinting applies to illegal immigrants.  Are we going to set up kiosks where the illegals drop by and submit to fingerprinting on the way into our nation?  As for 'today's reality', if you're going to go down that route, we can simply use that excuse every five years and legalize another five to ten million people.  When does it end?

Future Illegals should not be immediately deported but rather those from the south should be sent to prison in Northern Alaska for a period, those from Northern climates might spend time in Death Valley.

We protect the borders of Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq... but can't protect our own.  No, I'm not about to condone incarcerating these people and then paying for their housing and upkeep.  Deport and keep them the hell out.  Allow the same immigration quotas on Mexico as any other foreign nation.

Employers should be required to have documentation on hand. Those who hire illegals should face a minimum 1 year in jail per illegal employee.

There are already stiff penalties for employing illegal immigrants.

We need both carrot and big stick to deal with our border situation.

8 posted on 01/11/2004 3:10:29 PM PST by stocksthatgoup

The President's plan deals with today's reality, not the way we wish it could be. Electronic fingerprinting should be required of all visitors to the United States.

Perhaps you and the President can explain how fingerprinting applies to illegal immigrants.  Are we going to set up kiosks where the illegals drop by and submit to fingerprinting on the way into our nation?  As for 'today's reality', if you're going to go down that route, we can simply use that excuse every five years and legalize another five to ten million people.  When does it end?

Future Illegals should not be immediately deported but rather those from the south should be sent to prison in Northern Alaska for a period, those from Northern climates might spend time in Death Valley.

We protect the borders of Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq... but can't protect our own.  No, I'm not about to condone incarcerating these people and then paying for their housing and upkeep.  Deport and keep them the hell out.  Allow the same immigration quotas on Mexico as any other foreign nation.

Employers should be required to have documentation on hand. Those who hire illegals should face a minimum 1 year in jail per illegal employee.

There are already stiff penalties for employing illegal immigrants.

We need both carrot and big stick to deal with our border situation.

[Happy2BMe]

Well thought out D.O. - kudos!

"Anyone who defends any of the policies issues I have described normal citizens of the United States objecting to, is an open border fanatic." - PING

[DoughtyOne]

I'm just goint to accept that you know what citizenship is, and move along. Thanks.

[DoughtyOne]

There go the vegetables, cotton, poultry, beef, corn, and textile industries.

I guess we didn't have any vegatable, cotton, poultry, beef, corn or textile industries before the 1990s and the introduction of massive illegal immigration...

I wonder how we ever survived.

[Nea Wood]

Bravo!!

[txdoda]

Great post !!

[txdoda]

Perhaps you and the President can explain how fingerprinting applies to illegal immigrants>>>>>

I would hope that 'eletronic fingerprinting' could be used to stop the 'revolving door' at our borders. FIRST time illegal crossers banned for say 5 yrs. for any legal entry. Second time, jail time.

As it is, BP agents spend much time & effort on 'repeaters' that are just set free. (to try AGAIN, of course).

[Happy2BMe]

"I guess we didn't have any vegatable, cotton, poultry, beef, corn or textile industries before the 1990s and the introduction of massive illegal immigration..."

That would be the 80's - TWENTY YEARS AGO, correct?

[GOPologist]

"We talking legal citizens here, right?"

Must be--is there any other such as "illegal immigrant American citizen?