Packers' Brett Favre, truly a man's man

The Mercury News / Chicago Tribune ^ | 09 January 2004 | RICK MORRISSEY

[NittanyLion]

Believe me, the last team the Eagles want to play is the Packers. Their confidence is simply not there - cold weather? Totally not a factor. Too high expectations for Philly - anything short of a Super Bowl victory is failure to the fans.

Very true. IMHO the Packers are the most dangerous team in the NFC right now. If the Eagles get by the Pack tomorrow, the Championship Game will be easy by comparison.

As to the weather, I was hoping for a heat wave...80 degree temps at gametime. No such luck. ;-)

[Bear_in_RoseBear]

But he plays in the "two-hand touch" conference that is the NFC.

Oh, come on... name another quarterback who can get knocked out for a play, vomit blood on the sidelines, and then go back in on the next play and not only finish the game, but win it.

Name me a quarterback who can do that, and I'll agree that that quarterback is as tough as Brett Favre.

[JohnnyZ]

name another quarterback who can get knocked out for a play

What a wuss! A real man would have stayed in the game!

Just talking trash, of course -- Patriots fan

[dmz]

montana 4
favre 1

what is the comparison of super bowl rings?

(go packers - since my team won't win)

[Afronaut]

Once you are a Pickle you can never be a Cucumber again. You are never cured of being an alcoholic you just don't drink. It is not a temporary condition it's a disease. As far as to what I read he still drinks. That's his business. He is a great QB.

Truly a man's man? What the hell is that? Stupid.

[Prodigal Son]

Montana never started 200+ consecutive games.

LOL. I love Favre. But, uh, we need to consider how many Super Bowl Rings Montana owns.

There is the story about Montana when he went to the Chiefs. It was an important game. The Chiefs were behind. The team itself was relatively unexperienced with these situations. They were looking to Montana for leadership. He was walking up to the huddle. He spots John Candy in the stands. He points this out to the other guys. They're all tense about the next play and what does he say? "Hey, there's John Candy!". Not an act, not pretension or anything. His observation about Candy loosened the other guys up- they were awed at his poise. Montana was able to keep it in context. He wasn't overwhelmed by the situation on the field. For him, it was just a problem to be solved but not something that would keep him from noticing John Candy was sitting in the stands.

Think back to that Superbowl between the Bengals and the 49ers. It looked like the Bengals were sitting pretty with very little time left to go. But when you have a Joe Montana on the field- it isn't enough. There was never a doubt in my mind that Montana would move his team down the field and win the game. That's what you're dealing with when you're dealing with a Joe Montana.

He's a legend for a reason.

Montana's legend isn't the amount of games played or the consecutive games or the amount of yards passed. It was what he accomplished in the amount he did play.

John Elway, is perhaps the greatest quarterback ever. But, he has a losing Superbowl record. If he had won all five of those Superbowls, there wouldn't even be an argument. Where Elway failed, Montana succeeded. Montana didn't need to play into his 40s. When he had quit, he had already done it all. He had nothing left to prove. I, personally, think Elway was the greater competitor, but Montana was the greater champion. Favre is a great player, but he doesn't measure up to Montana so far and no amount of TD passes or consecutive games played will change that.

[Hildy]

The OLD pickle-cucumber analogy..You MUST be a friend of Bill W'S! (as am I).

[Libertarian4Bush]

fine, whatever. have you read his book? go ahead and read it, then see if you want to take part in the big media circle-jerk. which, incidentally, ends tomorrow.

this would be a great time for someone to pretend that I said he isn't a good football player.

[lysie]

Excellent. Thanks for the ping, Mozie.

[Bear_in_RoseBear]

A real man would have stayed in the game!

You'd have to go back to pre-merger days to find that. ;)

Patriots fan

Looking forward to that game tonight! Real football is played outdoors. ;)

[MozartLover]

"he still drinks..."

Wrong.

SOBRIETY SUITS FAVRE

[MozartLover]

Please read the article I linked in #51.

[PMCarey]

Montana was great. Favre is great. The problem with comparing the # of Superbowl rings to determine which is better is that Superbowls are team awards. Montana played with several future Hall of Famers in his offense and Favre has not played with any until Ahman Green came along - and we'll have to wait for a few years to see whether Green makes the grade.

[Libertarian4Bush]

wow, an article from packersnews.com? I'm sold!

[The Other Harry]

Think back to that Superbowl between the Bengals and the 49ers. It looked like the Bengals were sitting pretty with very little time left to go. But when you have a Joe Montana on the field- it isn't enough. There was never a doubt in my mind that Montana would move his team down the field and win the game. That's what you're dealing with when you're dealing with a Joe Montana.

I remember the first time I saw Montana play. He was QB'ng for Notre Dame. I don't recall who the other team was, but ND was (exaggerating, but not by much) down by 42 points with 30 seconds remaining. Montana, calm and cool as ever, methodically scored 43 points in those 30 seconds. He *expected* to win.

I've never seen anything like it.

I used to live near San Francisco. Needless to say, I was delighted when the 9'ers drafted him. I was also priviledged to see him play in person several times.

My goodness, those were great days. Ronnie Lott, Dwight Clark, et. al.

Like Favre, Joe is supposedly also a very decent guy in person.

Kenny Stabler wasn't too bad either. The Mississippi Gambler. MS does seem able to produce some great football players. Who was the great wide receiver the 49ers had who played for Mississippi Valley State? (Failing memory, darn it!).)

[yarddog]

Stabler was close to Mississippi but not quite. He was from Foley, Alabama on the Gulf coast.

[raybbr]

You MUST be a friend of Bill W'S! (as am I).

Another one here. I just hate the Packers. I grew up in Chicago and did lawn mtce. on Abe Gibron's lawn when I was kid.

[MozartLover]

LOL

Okay, okay.

It's true, though, he has been sober for over 4 years.

[Prodigal Son]

Hey, Montana even had the perfect name. He was created to be a great quarterback. Joe Montana. What else is he going to be but the cliche' for what a quarterback is supposed to be?

[kayak]

"A lot has been made of the situation, and a lot more will be made of it if the Packers keep winning, but it should be pointed out, perhaps at the expense of the story, that Favre was just as good, just as tough, just as human, just as quotable before the death of his father. That should be pointed out before the mythology completely takes over everything. He didn't need the death of his father to draw out his character. It was already there for the world to see."

A great article! Thanks for the ping!