[azhenfud]

The current immigration law doesn't work partly because the penalties for hiring Illegaliens is far too low and taxpayer funded services are handed out to them by the dozen.

If employers and Illegaliens risked confiscation of assets and penalties nearing the point of bankrupting them, their attention spans would definitely increase in regards to obeying the law. Confinement of Illegaliens without bail until deportation is also a necessary step in increasing respect for the law.

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[alloysteel]

The policy was not directed at the Latino voters in the US. It was offered as a means of providing a form of foreign aid to Mexico, primarily, and to a lesser degree, other countries that slip large numbers of undocumented workers into the US.

What happens to many of those that now come in, is that they are beholden to the "coyotes", the leaders of the convoys of illegal entrants, who charge exorbitant fees (a couple thousand per transient) to lead them across the border, and for a while, very little of their earnings get back to their families in Mexico. Surely they get only marginally better living conditions than they may have enjoyed in their home countries.

The real beneficiaries, and the driving force behind this declaration of a legalization of the status of these otherwise undocumented laborers, are the legions of small-capital employers that depend on the cheap labor this underground economy provides. There are laws against what they are doing, but nobody is serious about enforcing them. The cost of enforcement is not, at this time, cost-effective. Rather like enforcing the laws against, say, prostitution. The situation is tolerated, because the overall benefits, marginal as they may be, exceed the cost of full and diligent prosecution.

[gubamyster]

ping

[Zack Nguyen]

If we wanted to stop illegal immigration, we could. It is the will that doesn't exist, not the means.

[ravingnutter]

After listening to all the rhetoric on this, I can't believe so many people have forgotten a basic fact that I learned in elementary school...the President does not make law, Congress does! Bush's plan will be in the cross-cut shredder the minute it hits Congress. There are currently two bills being considered, one in the Senate and one in the House:

House Version Sponsored by Tom Tancredo of CO

Senate Version Sponsored by John Cornyn of TX

We need to forget about Bush's plan and get on the Tancredo bandwagon by writing our Congress-critters!

[Joe Hadenuf]

Like it or not, the U.S. is part of an integrating regional and world economy in which the movement of people across borders is inevitable.

Like it or not, we are a nation of laws where criminals are not rewarded.

[varon]

Do we really want to deputize all of American business to report and arrest illegals?

Why not?

[ZULU]

The Wall Street Journal is generally a conservative publication and generally correct on most issues.

They are wrong here - DEAD wrong.

The Journal is representing those interests in the U.S. here who are pushing this amnesty the most - the corporate interests. They WANT a cheap source of labor. They WANT people they can exploit for peonage wages. Illegal aliens provide this, and they want to able to freely recruit and hire more of them.

Bush's proposals are inimical to the best interests of the American Public and are so very evil, that I, an individual who long supported the man, am considering not voting for him in the next election should these be approved by Congress.

They are unfair and unpopular with Native-born Americans because they will contribute to the further erosion of the life style of average Americans, and will increase the trend toward de-Anglicization of America (and I mean Anglo in the very BROADEST cultural sense of that term, not in an ethnic connotation. Many Polish Americans, Germans Americans, etc. and even Hispanic Americans are, in effect, Anglos. They speak English as a sole or primary language, they have accepted and adopted Anglo-American cultural and social practises, and most importantly, they consider themselves and their children "American"). Floods of illegal aliens - and we are talking primarily South and Central Americans and Meixcans here - will radically alter that balance in such a way that our country would not even be recognized in a few generations as America.

These proposals are unfair to the masses of LEGAL resident aliens and workers who waited in line, paid their fees, filed the forms, and submitted to the requisite checks. They are unfair to aleins from countries other than Hispanic ones who would like to come here.

They are unfair to America considering the fact that the greatest beneficiary is the corrupt, ineffecient government of Senior Vicente Fox. Due to its incompetence and mismanagement, Mexican society continually generates an army of poor, destitute people who have no place in their society and for whom Mexico is unable or unwilling to support. Fox's solution is to make HIS problem OUR problem.

Finally, they are unfair to American society as a whole, as they provide an incentive for yet more illegals to come here, burden our social support networks, and also permit potential terrorists to establish residences here ar more easily.

If there REALLY is a NEED for more labor in America, then change the quotas and allow more legal aliens in, DON'T REWARD THOSE WHO BREAK OUR LAWS BY ALLOWING THEM TO SETTLE HERE.

When Bush says that he is proposing a program which allows aliens in in the event there is a job for which no Americans are available, he is being naive or disingenuous.
Those employers who are pushing this are pushing it precisely because they want to AVOID hiring Americans for wage reasons, or because they want to import friends or relatives or friends from their home country. And once here, even temporarily, these people need only conceive and deliver one child here and they and that child will remain here forever.

Bush's motive in this are SO transparent I am embarrassed and ashamed. He is pandering to one ethnic group - the Hispanics, in hopes that this will generate more Republican voters and to curry favor and financial support from business interets. He is NOT serving the American public or America's best interests.

In the ongoing war against trerrorism, border security is one of our most pressing issues and on this he and his administration have not only failed, they are actively seeking to undermine it further.

Unless Bush changes his position on this issue, he does not deserve a second term. Write in Tancredi or Alan Keyes in November of 2004.

[VU4G10]

 

The Wall Street Journal

WE WANT SLAVES!

 

[pogo101]

How about a tax on wire transfers to Mexico? $5 per wire plus 1% of the amount. No, make it 3%.

[skeeter]

The WSJ is simply NOT credible on the immigration issue.

[harbingr]

How to Destroy America Article by Frosty Wooldridge October 31, 2003 Published in MichNews.com.

excerpt...

In Washington, DC, several weeks ago, an immigration conference was filled to capacity by many of America’s finest minds and leaders....

...a brilliant college professor, Victor Davis Hansen, talked about his latest book, 'MEXIFORNIA', explaining how immigration, both legal and illegal, was destroying the entire State of California...and all vestiges of the American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm, stood up and gave a stunning speech on How to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound by the eight methods for destruction of the United States.

Lamm said, "If you believe that America is too smug, to self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall, and that, "An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide."

"Here is how they destroyed their countries," Lamm said. "First, turn America into a bilingual or multi lingual and bicultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.

Lamm continued on how to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their own culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds."

Lamm added, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural sub-groups living in America reinforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated and antagonistic to our population.

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology'. I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority.

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other-that is, when they are not killing each other. If we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'unum, we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all (discussion) subjects off limits-make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity'."

"I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: "That because immigration has been good for America, it must ALWAYS be good".

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. A profound silence swept over the room. Finally, he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Davis Hansen's book 'MEXIFORNIA'. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Every discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures are growing as we celebrate 'diversity'. American jobs are vanishing, 10 million illegal aliens and growing, fast.

"It reminded me of George Orwell's book, '1984'. In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength." I sat there as one of this country's most patriotic Americans, Governor Lamm, walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy, are deeply in trouble and worsening fast. An invasion of diseases, clashing cultures, languages, balkinization, mounting environmental dilemmas accelerate by the day. If this immigration monster isn't stopped within three years, it will rage across the United States like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially the American Dream."

[jimt]

Where's the barf alert? This lying puff-piece by the WSJ waxes eloquent about how the illegals will pay a "fine" for their criminal behavior, while compeltely ignoring the fact that huge numbers of illegals pick the taxpayers' pockets to support their families.

I'm tired of being screwed to support employers' desires for tax-subsidized labor.

[My2Cents]

Sharon....This is the editorial I emailed you about. Be sure to read.

[My2Cents]

The WSJ editorial is a balanced response to the President's balanced proposal. It's interesting that those who oppose Bush's initiative the most vociferously are those on the extremes -- those on the right whose practical solution to illegal immigration seems to be to machine-gun anyone who dares to step across the border, and those on the left who think the entire concept of "citizenship" is oppressive in and of itself and who think foreigners should be able to live here without any effort to actually become "Americans."

[bam]

As long as the per capita income differential between the U.S. (nearly $32,000) and Mexico ($3,679) continues to be so wide, we can't stop immigrants short of means that will violate our traditions, our conscience, and our national interest.

So, the WSJ will consider letting us regulate immigration once U.S. per capita income falls to around $3,500? Oh, no! They will discover the discrepancy between Bangladesh and the U.S. and tell us we can't stop immigration until all the Bangladesh folks are here too. Thanks to the WSJ, I can look forward to living in a cardboard box on the side of a polluted river along with my 4 billion fellow citizens. Of course, I am looking forward to a healthy diet of burnt rat just like the overpopulated Chinese eat. Wonder if the WSJ is recommending going long on rat belly futures?

Seriously, after reading thousands of posts over on Yahoo message boards my (admittedly, not necessarily correct) conclusion is that a whole great bunch of middle class Americans -- not just some conservatives -- are mad as hell at corporate America, the Republicans, and most of all George Bush. I don't blame them.