Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

How Bush Can Lose
WND.com ^ | 01-08-04 | Farah, Joseph

Posted on 01/08/2004 11:05:26 AM PST by Theodore R.

How Bush can lose

Posted: January 8, 2004 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

There's a kind of smug self-confidence emerging in the Bush White House based largely on incompetence in the Democratic Party, an improving economy and better news on the Iraqi war front.

Polls are showing President Bush handily beating Howard Dean or any other potential Democratic nominee in the November election.

That may happen.

But let me offer another scenario.

Whether it's Howard Dean or Daffy Duck who is nominated by the Democrats this summer, Bush's major opponent is going to have a lock on anywhere from 37 percent to 46 percent of the vote, according to recent polls. That's the hard-core Democratic vote that would go to anyone who gets the nomination of the party – even Al Sharpton or Dennis Kucinich.

Right now, in the best of times, Bush's re-election is attractive to a high of only 55 percent of voters.

So, in a head-to-head race, with no major third-party candidates to draw votes away from either of the major-party candidates, Bush indeed looks to win going away.

But situations do change in politics. Another major terrorist attack could change the political dynamic. A major setback in Iraq or Afghanistan could change the equation. A major stumble in the economic recovery could shift some votes from Bush to the Democrats. And, least likely perhaps, Howard Dean could actually start making sense rather than shooting himself in the foot every other day.

Any or all of these possibilities could change a 55-45 race to a much closer vote.

But there's one more factor not being considered by the Republicans and their overconfident cheerleaders: The possibility of a major third-party candidate who could draw more votes away from Bush than from the Democratic nominee.

As I predicted long ago, Ralph Nader, whose candidacy played a decisive role in 2000, is not going to run in 2004. Officially, he has rejected running on the Green Party ticket, but unofficially, I'm telling you, he will not run at all. No other significant left-wing candidate will run in 2004 either, because the hard left has decided to form a "united front" to beat Bush at all costs.

But there's nothing preventing the candidacy of someone who might take away a significant percentage of votes from Bush.

Like who?

Jesse Ventura.

Why would he run? Because he loves the spotlight and he no longer has it.

His TV show at MSNBC, "Jesse Ventura's America," is floundering as badly as the rest of the cable network's programming.

The former governor of Minnesota has openly discussed the possibility of a run for the presidency. He has never ruled it out.

What would a Ventura candidacy mean?

I don't think he would get much more than 5 percent of the vote. But that is a critical 5 percent because almost all of it would come from Bush's base.

Factor a Ventura candidacy into a race and just one or two other Bush policy setbacks and you have a horserace equivalent to 2000, when Bush lost the popular vote and the official results of the election were not determined for months.

Ventura may not even be the only candidate in the race taking away votes primarily from Bush. There will certainly be a Libertarian Party candidate. There will be one from the Constitution Party. While Bush squeaked out an electoral college victory in 2000 because of a third-party candidate, he could easily lose the race in 2004 because of one or more minor party candidacies drawing small but significant numbers of voters away from the Republican.

Bush has left himself wide open to such a strategy by governing like a Democrat in every way except three – his tax cut, his support of a partial-birth abortion ban and his execution of the terror war.

We'll see if that's enough for him to squeak by with another election victory next November.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; bush; constitutionparty; cpot; cpow; dean; democrats; farah; gwb2004; independent; iraq; libertarians; michaelperoutka; mikeperoutka; mn; msnbc; nader; peroutka2004; republicans; venture
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 61-8081-100101-120121-128 next last
To: Dan from Michigan
Too, true. There is no indication whether these numbers reflect registered, likely voters. That's probably a completely different story.
81 posted on 01/08/2004 12:33:48 PM PST by Camachee (`)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 76 | View Replies]

To: Orangedog
could see enough pro 2nd amendment voters staying home on election day to cause him to lose.

Or go dem. As in slighly over 50% of union member gun owners who voted for Bush last time. (West VA, Yoopers)

82 posted on 01/08/2004 12:34:03 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("Every man dies. Not every man really lives")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 66 | View Replies]

To: Theodore R.
There will be no significant challenge to Bush from the right in '04 and he knows it. Beyond the fact Bush is taking us in exactly the direction anybody who looked critically at his record knew he would, he's done what he needed to do to neuter the leadership of the independent groups that might have provided a base from which he could be challenged.

To illustrate my point, consider the following. In 2000, I was involved in the Buchanan campaign. While I'm indifferent to the abortion issue, I assumed we could count on the support of the Pro-Life community for grass roots support. Wrong. Buchanan received a tiny fraction of the Pro-Life community's support. Bush had it all locked up. Buchanan was virtually shut out. In '04, it'll be even more obvious than it was in '00.

83 posted on 01/08/2004 12:46:52 PM PST by caltrop
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Baynative
If we were to lose this election - well, worse things have happened

I'm not so sure about that. In fact what has been bothering me reading some of these threads is this: The Democrats are very angry, they hate "right-wingers" in general and George Bush in particular, right?

Now what do you think their guy is going to do when he gets into office? Invite Rep. Tancredo over to the oval office to hear his concerns (the way GWB does with Ted Kennedy, et. al.)? No, Dean (or whoever gets in) and his blank-eyed followers are going to rip into the "right-wing conspiracy" with everything they've got.

We're not talking "compassionate liberalism" here. This is about core left-wingers with an agenda. An agenda that doesn't include you.

Losing the war on terror? - that's just a side effect.

I can see the appeal of "well, the President sold out his principles so why not teach the party a lesson."

Unfortuately, the price tag last time was eight years of Bill Clinton. I don't know if this Nation is going to be able to afford even one term of the next guy.

84 posted on 01/08/2004 12:50:42 PM PST by hedgie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Grampa Dave
LOL, that's too funny!
85 posted on 01/08/2004 12:51:24 PM PST by cmak9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Dan from Michigan
Keep in mind that Howard Dean's appeal to black voters will be rather weak. Blacks are more comfortable with Southerners like Clinton and Gore, who have a lot more experience with black voters, than with arch-Yankees like Dean. Thus, both Dean's percentages and raw voter turnout will be less than the Democrats received in the last three Presidential cycles. Thus, the urban voting booths of Chicago, Detroit, and Philadelphia will not tip their respective states to Dean, as was the case for Gore in 2000.

Also, every President (with the exception of Bush pere) going back to Eisenhower has done better in his campaign for his second term than in his first run.

My guess: CA, WA, OR, HI, MN, MD, DC, DE, NJ, NY, CT, MA, RI, VT, NH, and ME to Dean; the rest to Bush.

86 posted on 01/08/2004 12:51:29 PM PST by Wallace T.
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 72 | View Replies]

To: CalKat
I don't take anything seriously that comes out of WND. They're a bogus news organization.
87 posted on 01/08/2004 12:53:05 PM PST by Boxsford
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: hedgie
Well said.
88 posted on 01/08/2004 12:57:22 PM PST by EllaMinnow (I miss Chancellor Palpatine. Heck, I even miss Illbay.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 84 | View Replies]

To: Wallace T.
Keep in mind that Howard Dean's appeal to black voters will be rather weak.

People said the same thing last time about Al Gore, comparing his ability to draw black voters to Clinton's. In the end, Gore ended up doing better than Clinton with black voters. If the Dems rev up their turnout machine (recorded phone calls from Clinton et. al.), and if they can generate the requisite anger (Bush the lyncher ads, etc.), Dean (or anyone else on the ticket) will do just fine with black voters.

89 posted on 01/08/2004 12:58:21 PM PST by BlackRazor
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 86 | View Replies]

To: BlackRazor
It's true that Bush finished only 2.4% behind Gore. But it's also true that Ralph Nader got 5.2% of the state's vote

Oh, I forgot about the creature from the black lagoon!

Well, if Bush can win MN he will get 44 states.

90 posted on 01/08/2004 1:01:07 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 80 | View Replies]

To: hedgie
While I'm second to nobody in my disdain for Clinton - whose sole goal in office seemed to be ensuring he gave White Trash a bad name - he was still the catalyst which gave the Republicans control of the House. The Republican Party is largely made up, IMHO, of the politically indolent. They need a real kick in the shins to wake up and smell the coffee. I suspect most don't, for example, recognize the extent of the government's growth under Bush. If you don't agree, check out a few of the Bushbot responses to some of the articles on his profligate spending. Maybe Dean's what the Republicans need to remind them they're supposed to be the party in favor of smaller government.
91 posted on 01/08/2004 1:11:32 PM PST by caltrop
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 84 | View Replies]

To: CFC__VRWC
The 49-state blowout that so many are predicting ain't gonna happen.

You're right in terms of popular vote, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a 42 or 43 state electoral vote sweep.

I agree, though, let us not get over-confident. The RATs have the media, the courts, education, union goons, ignorance, and corruption on their side, and they are quite skillful at using all of those advantages.
92 posted on 01/08/2004 1:18:28 PM PST by JayNorth
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Theodore R.
What is Farah's basis for Ventura running? Yes, anything COULD happen. McCain could run as an independent. Pat Robertson could drop his tv show and join the race. But before analyzing that possibility, it's helpful to proceed of some valid information that suggests such a scenario might take place. I lose confidence in Farah by the day....
93 posted on 01/08/2004 1:18:58 PM PST by jagrmeister (I'm not a conservative. I don't seek to conserve, I seek to reform.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wallace T.
I have to disagree.
1. 2 elected presidents since 76 lost re-election. Carter and Bush. Ford lost as an incumbent as well, but he wasn't elected in the first place. Only Reagan and Klinton won twice.

2. As for black voters, Posthumus(although Blacks hated his predecessor Engler as much as Bush) did as poorly as Bush did among them. I expect to see massive 'waving of the bloody shirt' and many fliers about the war sending their black brothers to die, election 2000, Death Penalty, James Byrd, and more confederate crap.

94 posted on 01/08/2004 1:19:43 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("Every man dies. Not every man really lives")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 86 | View Replies]

To: cmak9
Isn't that a great one!
95 posted on 01/08/2004 1:24:56 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Drive the rats into a deeper insanity! Stop being a Freeploader! Invest monthly in Free Republic!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 85 | View Replies]

To: Shermy
If a Democrat spoke seriously about illegal immigration's effects on the people, and posed a real plan to end it Bush would be finished. There would be little blue collar support for Bush.

Of course. But the Democrats never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. All of them said the Bush plan doesn't go far enough. If they were smart they'd oppose it all together.

96 posted on 01/08/2004 1:29:35 PM PST by NeoCaveman (se habla espanol)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Dan from Michigan; Orangedog
No one has a crystal ball and many things can happen between now and November but I don't see a third party as being the most likely scenario. I never used to give it much credibility but at this point I believe the single greatest chance for a guarenteed Bush loss comes along the AWB line.

(Donning thin layer of tin foil) God forbid, take two or three well-exploited mass shootings this spring - ah heck, let's make the shooters illegals in some border state having arrived recently (to get in line) - throw in a couple of black rifles, a school, or a couple of dead BP for good measure - and you'll have so many nanny bills on Bush's desk by August you couldn't count 'em. Rove goes into overdrive. We'd have new Departments and spending out the yazoo. The BATF would be ordering enough dumptrucks to keep the Detriot unions busy for years. He'll sign 'em all not knowing which way is up. (As if he'd veto.)

97 posted on 01/08/2004 1:30:25 PM PST by LTCJ (Gridlock '05 - the Lesser of Three Evils.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 82 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur
America has never had a president with orange hair. You can look it up.

What does that mean for Ronald McDonald's candidacy? I know Joan Kroc donates a Kroc-full of money to the RATs every election.
98 posted on 01/08/2004 1:31:58 PM PST by JayNorth
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: Theodore R.
Bump
99 posted on 01/08/2004 1:33:14 PM PST by The_Eaglet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: Baynative
CA, OR, WA, N.M., AZ, MA, VT, CT, MN, RI, NH, IA, PA, ME.

Doesn't it seem like one of our more creative freepers could come up with a clever anagram from those state codes?
100 posted on 01/08/2004 1:34:42 PM PST by JayNorth
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 61-8081-100101-120121-128 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson