Email/Letter writing campaign against The President's plan for immigration

Myself

[Remember_Salamis]

Has anybody started an email/letter writing campaign in response to the president's proposed immigration initiative?

We need to show the president that he can't take advantage of his conservative base.

[cricket]

"I've sent email, letters, telephone calls to my senator and congressmen.. guess what? NOT ONE REPLY.. not a one"

WEll don't hold your breath. . .I've worked in campaigns as well; the sheer volume of calls and mail preclude 'replies'. Why don't you just pay a visit at campaign headquarters. . .or your Congressman's office; go to the 'coffee's they hold, where they 'make time' for their constituents.

Beyond that, to expect a 'reply' goes beyond reasonable expectations, IMHO. . . and why, in these venues, would you expect them to have the time to pen a letter off; when they receive thousands!

[cricket]

"Now you are going to validate this crapola by voting for this globalist. If so, you deserve the outcome"

. . .and if you have not voted for a 'pubbie' since Ronald Reagan; then you have contributed to the problem rather than the solution.

Where were you; when you were needed? Voting for Perot?

[Zipporah]

I typically do get replies when I've contacted them.. even on issues that would be considered 'high volume'.. maybe you're right though.

[Texasforever]

Do you agree with this assesment of GW?

The Bush Enigma
How then can one explain George w. Bush, the man on whom so many Americans placed such great hope? All we can say is that there are several theories to choose from, all of which fall in the realm of speculation.

One theory holds that he is a good man with fine instincts and excellent intentions, but is such a hater of confrontation that he has effectively been steamrolled by the non-conservatives who surround him.

Another theory holds that he was never a real conservative in the first place, but i8 a very capable orator who can read a good speech and produce a convincing image. The United Republicans of Texas published such a view in 1998, after having experienced all of the years that George w. Bush governed their state.(37)

One individual who shares the view that Mr. Bush's political effect has never been conservative is Thomas Gale Moore of Stanford University's Hoover Institution. In a syndicated column appearing in May 1998, (38) he discussed the much-publicized Bush plans to cut spending and reduce bureaucratic regulation. But Mr. Moore then cautioned:

Skeptics find President Bush's record as governor, often alluded to during the campaign, far from reassuring, especially since he used much the same rhetoric during his gubernatorial campaigns as appeared later during his campaign for the presidency.

While in Austin, raised sales taxes, and sharply increased taxes on business.

While he was in office, Texas government expenditures increased faster than was typical of other states. Notwithstanding his campaign rhetoric, welfare expenditures alone escalated 61 percent in real terms during his two terms as governor.

That is hardly a record that should merit the label "conservative."

[gatorbait]

Drink up my friend,

Oh shove it, you ignorant loser. Tell us all about the great work Presidents Goldwater,Buchannan,Perot,Keyes,Browne have done. Then get back to me about Kool Aid drinking. Otherwise,enjoy your paranoia, your lies about supporting this President until now,your phony anguish and your "true conservatism" and stop being an oxygen thief.

[gatorbait]

Beware, there are some crazy people around here !!! And I could be one of them !!)

Your tagline fits you perfectly.

[cricket]

"This man is not a conservative by the definition that has been in place for many past yrs. "

. . .the political axis shifted when we move into our new millenium. Make the best of it; not the worst.

Bush is attempting the near impossible; to bring a reasoned sanity out of the mess of illegal immigration. The resistance, vitriol and hatred of this initiative can only be compared to a violent knee-jerk reaction.

As for Bush's choices; if you do not like the liberal aspects; then accept that 'more Conservatives' need to be grown for the future. . .maybe we should start with the NEA and have them change their philosophy of 'good citizenship' and then just educate or re-educate; the next generation. . .

In the meantime, Bush has a huge responsibility and more than Conservatives to worry about.

You don't like the job he is doing? Just wait and see what happens when any one of the 'others' comes in for Presidential empowerment.

It would behoove all of you naysayers to support our President; and think, more than twice - about what it is, you think you may gain, by NOT supporting George Bush.

[Peace will be here soon]

Gatorbait`s FR homepage ----Quote :"I love the mental gymnastics of good and open debate and the exchange of ideas. This forum provides both , as well as meeting place for the rich mosaic that makes up the Conservative/Libertarian movement. "

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Gatorbait`s recent post to me---Quote: " Oh shove it, you ignorant loser. Tell us all about the great work Presidents Goldwater,Buchannan,Perot,Keyes,Browne have done. Then get back to me about Kool Aid drinking. Otherwise,enjoy your paranoia, your lies about supporting this President until now,your phony anguish and your "true conservatism" and stop being an oxygen thief."

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Like I said, better update that FR home page of yours.

[SerpentDove]

That's hilarious!

:-)))

[cricket]

"I typically do get replies when I've contacted them.. even on issues that would be considered 'high volume'.. maybe you're right though."

Well, maybe 'close to right'. . .LOL :^)

[Zipporah]

LOL!

[gatorbait]

Like I said, better update that FR home page of yours.

As I said, you're an ignorant , whiny,loser.What part of shove it do you not understand? Go to your third party for electing Democrats and tin foli hat lunatics rally. There's serious business to be done and you're not serious.

[yoe]

This whole mess is a crappy situation that's been allowed to fester for years. The President is looking long term and is at least making a start. There are 8 million illegals here and nothing is make them disappear...this will work at putting some order into the chaos.

A bold move by a bold President.

Well stated. The reality is that this President has started the ball rolling towards cleaning up and tightening up a truly chaotic situation. But it is up to the congress to make the law addressing immigration, not the President. Another department that needs to be thrown out of the discussion is our State Department who constantly thwarts any attempt of stopping mass immigration for political and far too often, politically correct reasons. Thank the President and then get to your congressmen with a short list of your views, one of which should be the State Department’s ability to let people in via lottery - that should stop. Watch the Congress like a hawk as they will try to stuff pork by the ton into any bill they write. This is one issue where no PORK should be allowed.

[yoe]

Bravo!!

[Souled_Out]

Why waste your time, no one will listen or respond. My message to the President will come in November when I sit at home and exercise my right to not vote for the first time in my adult life.

Why would anyone support a party that does not support the country? The GOP has contributed to the loss of our ability to defend our borders and refuses to enforce the laws that are on the books just for political gain.

In doing so they have lost my support.

[JimRed]

Anyone who thinks that illegals who are getting free medicine and free education while working illegally (because no-one is allowed to ask them if they are illegal) is going to go and sign up for a 3 year limit is braindead

I can go along with a registration program for those already here, Provided that:

Any illegal found here unregistered after the cutoff date is deported immediately, no hearing or delay; gone the same day.

Registered illegals who commit a crime are out immediately upon finishing their prison sentence.

Border control to the extreme is established by whatever means necessary; a Berlin wall on the Mexican border would be a good start; troops on the border, land mines, electrified grids, whatever decreases illegal entries to zero.

Birth in this country only bestows automatic citizenship if the parents are here legally.

English is to be the official language of the United States.

I'm sure we can think of a few more...

[Redwood71]

I find it difficult to sit and read this type of spin. I lived on a ranch in central/southern California for my whole childhood until my mid twenties. I worked and watched my neighbors and the workers that were used and went to school with their kids. Here are my problems with the entry by the republican head in El Salvador:

"In case no one noticed, the current system does not work, which is why there are 12 million undocumented workers in the US."

The current system does not work because there is no real concerted effort to either stop, or return existing illegals. Here in Washington state, eastern Washington is overfilled with illegals from Mexico that are not being investigated or returned. We have documented proof that some have been jailed, recognized, and not grabbed and shipped. This is a liberal state and it uses these for votes. They will not be captured, they will be sent to the polls.

"12 million people will start paying taxes"

To the tune of minimum wages, that will not cover the additional hospital, education, and welfare draw, but will cause three things, a deficit to the welfare that will be requiring raised taxes, another excuse to raise the minimum wage because it was never designed to be a family supporting level, and because of the that raise, a higher price of products and services so the employer can cover the added expenses. Minimum wage was never designed to be entry level. It was to cover Christmas help like high school package wrappers.

"Workers will be paid minium wage, evening out the pay scale and giving more opportunity for US workers"

How is paying more minimum wage going to give an opportunity for the US worker? The employer only has so much money to pay for labor costs. If the employer is going to use low cost labor, then forced to pay for further services like their share of employment taxes, what is the advantage to the US worker? It will be an incentive to hire more minimum level employees just to get out from under taxes. So the idea is to raise the capabilities of the US worker by lowering the wage scale in a mass amount? A fine way to level it out, more poverty and a need to raise the minimum wage again.

"12 million more people will contribute to social security"

Like I mentioned before, at poverty level wages, it will not cover the bennies they will get. This is happening in California now. It is a major expense to the California budget and is a reason they are going broke. They don’t make enough to cover it.

"If you commit a crime you lose your status...bye bye and you go home"

They aren’t catching them now, what makes you think they will then just because they have broken a different law?


"If they do not have a job they cannot stay, this can be verified by social security and since they are documented workers we know who they are and they will have to return home"

I have to repeat the above: They aren’t catching them now, what make you think they will then just because they have broken a different law? And using social security won’t work because that isn’t working now.


"To renew your status after three years you will have to prove that you worked and paid taxes otherwise I am sure you will not get it renewed so where is the welfare in all of this?"

Many are now on welfare with no social security status. Maybe you can answer that question. Additionally, as soon as one of the female workers has a child, it goes on AFDC and they cannot send it back to Mexico as it is a natural born citizen. You gonna send mom back without the child?

"Most foreign workers are looking for a job not a handout and most would prefer to go back to their countries so why not give them the opportunity to work in jobs nobody wants and GO BACK, instead of being forced to stay in the US and adding to the problem."

I have no problem with this, as long as they remain documented. But, you said yourself, we have 12 million undocumented now. Why share the earnings with a government you don’t listen to anyway. The border is a revolving door, why pay for the free trip?


"Employers will only want to hire people who are ïn "the system" to avoid legal problems therefore it will force immigrants to sign up thus giving us much needed information about who they are and what they are doing in the US. 9.) Consider the cost of rounding everybody up and flying them home?"

Is this happening now? Is it in the best interest of the employer or the illegal to do this? Can’t both make more money the way it is now? Your perfect world considers everyone is honest. We have a system in effect now that is basically the same thing and it doesn't work.


This is really nothing more than cannon fodder. Each one of those statements put out by the Central American has more holes than a liberal press brief. Please understand that I can see the problem, but there is a system in place that is being brutalized by the illegal and the US. It needs fixing, not making it worse by throwing gasoline on the fire to put it out.

Red

[cricket]

"Bravo!!"

Glad to to see that many of us can see a glass 'half-full'; rather than the 'half-empty' one, that so many here want to drink from.

[Redwood71]

"A two-year slow down in some sectors is hardly a "failed economy."

A failure of thousands of businesses causing unemployment to reach a record high, the bottom dropping out of the housing market until interest collapsed to record lows to save it, the destruction of the internet markets because of an inability to make enough funds to stay solvent, a large amount of major companies filing wection 11 or 13s to bail out of a failed situation, and reputable economic heads all over the country saying it, might be enough. If it hadn't been for some fast acting from the Bush tax cut and the promises of further relief, we were on the way to 1929 just like we did it in 1929. Carbon copy.

[annyokie]

I, too, spent my entire life up until I was 32 years old, in Central California (San Joaquin Valley and the Central Coast.)

I never knew a White person, other than myself, who worked disbudding carnations at a nursery in Guadelupe. Many of my Hispanic and Philipino classmates in high school worked at the ice houses packing brocolli or picking lettuce, artichokes or strawberries. None of my White friends did.

There has been no effort to control our borders in my lifetime.

As I said before, I am pleased that the President is addressing the problem, albeit to the consternation of many here.