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Rush Limbaugh: "Immigration Proposal Roils America"
Rush Limbaugh.Com ^ | 1-7-04 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 01/07/2004 3:31:00 PM PST by Matchett-PI

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To: CWOJackson
I've had arthritis since I was 17, I get seasick rather easily, I've had two stepdad who were Navy, my Dad and another Stepdad were Army, and one of my Dad's buddies when I was in high school had been in the first wave to hit the beach at Iwo Jima, and had interesting stories to tell to a young and impressionable youth about the Marines. Besides, in the Air Force, we send the officers out to fight, the enlisted guys stay home, and if you DO have to retreat, you can do so at 600 mph. ;)

Oh, and I've worn glasses since 6th grade. Without them, I'm legally blind. Special Forces would not have had me, (not that I'd have lasted long even if I did make it all the way through training). I've done what I can, and now I'm working on becoming a History teacher, so I can try to stem the liberal tide.

Need another career? I'm going to need to pick up some more math and science to do what I really want well, since I have no intention of coaching. They need more male teachers, and they need a LOT more male science and math teachers.
81 posted on 01/07/2004 8:00:06 PM PST by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF (Ret.))
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To: OldFriend
Your sarcasm and juvenile dismissal has been duly noted. It is interesting your frivilous treatment of this situation regards illegal immigration. How do you stand to profit from illegal immigration?

Nevermind. You've already answered.

82 posted on 01/07/2004 8:01:58 PM PST by Thumper1960
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To: Old Student
I always handed the USAF credit for one thing...making life as comfortable as possible. They receive funds to build a base they build the housing, clubs and golf courses first...then when they run out of funds they go back to Congress for more to build the runways.
83 posted on 01/07/2004 8:09:12 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: ConservativeMan55; gubamyster
It applies to only those working already or with a job promised, but it also identifies their employers who have to pay Social Security and payroll taxes. It puts them legally on the tax rolls, including local taxes, and while not granting citizenship for the first time it officially documents who they are.

And this is one of the key elements that the administration says that is important that they're interested in. Also, allowing them to work for an additional three-year period, if approved by Congress, there it is again, puts the Democrats in a position that they don't want to be in on this.

Excellent comments. And it's a way to keep them under control, too. I'm going to bookmark this thread, thanks for the ping.

84 posted on 01/07/2004 8:12:36 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul (Freedom isn't won by soundbites but by the unyielding determination and sacrifice given in its cause)
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To: Old Student
And don't get me wrong on that...it's the smart thing to do.
85 posted on 01/07/2004 8:16:30 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
Of course, we're crazy, not stupid! ;)
86 posted on 01/07/2004 8:19:48 PM PST by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF (Ret.))
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
The problem I see with the three year visit is that during those three years, thousands of anchor babies will be born. What then? American citizens every one. There needs to be a whole lot of tinkering with the program that Pres Bush proposed today. I think overall it is a good thing to open the discussion on the immigration issue. I keep in mind that this is a proposal and it is up to our representatives to deal with all aspects and ramifications of it. What finally gets to the president's desk should be the wishes of the american people as expressed to their elected representatives.
87 posted on 01/07/2004 8:21:38 PM PST by dasein64
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To: dasein64
It is kind of flattering that some people will do almost anything to have a baby born here. Two of my kids were born in Germany, and we made D**N sure their paperwork was done so they would be US citizens (although both my wife and I are of German extraction, so they could have qualified for German citizenship easily.)

I'm sure there are lots of American families who would be happy to adopt them, so their parents will know they are taken care of as the parents return to their homeland. Seems kind of cruel, but I don't want an American baby growing up in Mexico, or or any other third-world nation.

That solve the problem for you?
88 posted on 01/07/2004 8:26:46 PM PST by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF (Ret.))
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To: Matchett-PI
bttfl
89 posted on 01/07/2004 8:29:19 PM PST by Cacique
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To: Old Student
It isn't my problem. Only my question. I know something about adoption and taking children from their natural parents willy nilly is not a feasible solution. Nor is it likely to happen. Which is why this situation is one of the more important aspects of the whole proposal that needs to be addressed.
90 posted on 01/07/2004 8:39:30 PM PST by dasein64
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To: Old Student
I have seen quite a bit of the world.
Courtesy of the USAF.
I had to take a lot of vaccinations before I went to those places.
That was because Uncle Sugar did not want me to come back with third world diseases, and spread that crap around in my own country.
You can claim you are "compassionate", about much of the rest of the world.I wont argue the point that much of the rest of the world does not suck, because that part of your argument is absolutely true.
What you seem to have is an illogical disconnect with reality.
The fact is, that the ideal country to for humanity to live in,the USA, is not a God given human right.
Else God would not have allowed humans to be born elsewhere./sarcasm//
The USA is a new and young country, when viewed in historical context.We have,as a society, dared and accomplished much.
At great cost.
If an immigrant wishes to join our struggle against the mindless inertia of a hand to mouth basic subsistance lifestyle, welcome!
If they just want to reap short term financial benefits by undercutting and subverting our laws, the very threads of the fabric of our society, I say force them to return to their place of illegal and immoral entry, and keep them far from me and mine.
Come honestly, with head unbowed,and be welcomed.
We need not import thieves,as we have proven we can grow our own.
One need not be Christian to understand the difference between giving a someone else a fish, and teaching another to fish for themself.
That is the outside limit of the extent of my compassion.
I wonder where you stand on open arms compassionate acceptance of the remnants of the Bantu tribe of Africa, as an official USA government sanctioned humanitarian effort, and legally designated refugee group of legal immigrants fleeing from genocide?
Or are they less worthy of compassion in your opinion, since they dont speak spanish or english, and need assistance from compassionate USA citizens to learn how to bathe with indoor plumbing?












91 posted on 01/07/2004 8:58:18 PM PST by sarasmom (Punish France. Ignore Germany. Forgive Russia.)
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To: harpo11
You've captured my sentiments on this issue exactly. Good post!
92 posted on 01/07/2004 9:00:55 PM PST by EagleMamaMT
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To: Ingtar
I thought that was how the supply and demand was supposed to work. If Americans will not take these jobs, they must be undervalued. I'm sure their would be takers at the right price.
93 posted on 01/07/2004 9:01:56 PM PST by RUSure (Think first...)
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To: Tauzero
how do you remove 8 million illegals (without hiring 8 million more govt employees raising your taxes) or having a forced movement of persons that would make the Nazi trains to the concentration camps look like Thomas the tank engine!"

The longest journey starts with a single step.

Exactly, all we have to do is get started. All the nonsense about concentration camps and removing them all at once is a strawman.

94 posted on 01/07/2004 9:07:03 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: BushCountry
There is a difference.

The illegals are sending money to their home country to a tune of $20 Billion a year. That did not happen in previous immigration surges.

The money represents almost 50% of some south American nations GDP. That did not happen in previous immigration surges.

The home countries establish hometown clubs in America to make sure the illegals send the money back to their home countries. They have established hometown clubs in every major city in America and they carry a huge clout. That did not happen in previous immigration surges.

Since the remittance money is such a huge amount multinational banks like Wells Fargo want to get in on the transfers. They pull the strings behind the scenes of the Bush administration to make the amnesty happen. The problem is, that they will not rest when 10 million illegals are granted amnesty because that will cap the amount of money they can generate by handling the remittances. So they will be forever pushing for more and more illegal immigration so they amount of money they make from the remittances will continue to rise. That did not happen in previous immigration surges.

Because the remittance money is such a huge percent of the foreign country's GDP, there would be revolution in many if it were stopped, or at the very least finanacial ruin for many. That did not happen in previous immigration surges.

The remittance money is redistribution of wealth, it is lost to Americans and they get no vote or say because remittances are not regulated by Congress. This is a usurpation of our Constitutional government. Supporting the amnesty is supporting the usurpation of our Constitutional government.
95 posted on 01/07/2004 9:07:49 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Matchett-PI
All I have to say is this BETTER be the beginning of close control and the closing of our leaky borders!

I'm sick of this "triangulation" stuff myself.
96 posted on 01/07/2004 9:08:17 PM PST by Humidston (Two Words: TERM LIMITS)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
The end goal is the same-illegals go home.

That's the way it is suppose to be; does it work? Is social security like it was set up to be?
97 posted on 01/07/2004 10:06:03 PM PST by Travelgirl
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To: Old Student
I took my 23-year-old daughter was there in 1994 (all the way down to Marrakesh), you also see women washing clothes in the streams and letting them dry on the shrubs.

At the time she saw this, she said she was proud of what little she had now. A good lesson for her.
98 posted on 01/07/2004 10:18:03 PM PST by Travelgirl
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To: OldFriend
I have been making your point all day. Most have tried to discuss the problem, which I admit is serious, but refuse to address the issue of rounding up millions of people and putting them in camps awaiting due process and deportation.

If we have been unable to enforce existing laws what makes anyone think we will enforce these laws? Who is going to monitor the status of these" workers" ?Meanwhile the borders will continue to be sieves with people wanted just to get there foot on American soil to partake of the promise. The illegal number will increase not decrease , just as it did under Reagan (where are all those Hispanic voters today ? Democrats all )

They will come in here and displace American workes as employers find they can hire Mexicans to work at $10 an hour jobs for $5.

This program will not only be for Mexicans it will be for all people. That means that the limits on Tech workers will be off and the Indians will be flying in .

All the companies will have to do is place ads for engineers for $20,000 a year. No American engineer will apply..enter the "guest " worker from India that will take the job.

This New World Order Plan drives America into the third world in a cab driven by a shrub

The Republican party has a death wish..Bush sells the party out for short term gains (his term)

99 posted on 01/07/2004 10:22:27 PM PST by RnMomof7 (broomstick jockey)
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To: Matchett-PI
Don't make me laugh, Jorge.

The only thing we've got going for us is the politician's fear of us voting them out of office. It's the only power we've got, so let's use it!

If you've phoned, faxed and emailed already, do it again! Get on them morning, noon and night until this madness is totally defeated and the traitors voted out of office!

Get on your homeboys, people. Unless we get the numbers which will make them fear for re-election, it will be all over. There will be no going back. This is the showdown on the Immigration Issue. If you've been following along, you know that these people are costing the American taxpayers billions per year. They're taking jobs away from hardworking American citizens. They're draining our resources and giving very little back. This is it. If this is allowed to pass, we can quite literally kiss this nation goodbye. The massive population transfer that will take place is unspeakable. Do it now! Fight for your country and way of life!@


PUT A STOP TO IT NOW OR WE CAN KISS THIS NATION GOODBYE...LITERALLY.

It's NOT a migration, it's an invasion! Don't let them get away with this! SCREAM! Call toll free:

Whitehouse: 202-456-1414

Comment Line: 202-456-6213 and 202-456-1111

House and Senate: 1-800-648-3516

Rep. Nat'l Committee" 202-863-8500 (not toll free)

Senate: http://www.senate.gov/

Congress: http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.html

Department of Homeland Defense: http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/contactus

Department of Justice/John Ashcroft AskDOJ@usdoj.gov 202-353-1555

President Bush's Campaign BushCheney04@GeorgeWBush.com 703.647.2700

Republican National Committee info@rnc.org 202.863.8500
100 posted on 01/08/2004 12:49:32 AM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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