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Rush Limbaugh: "Immigration Proposal Roils America"
Rush Limbaugh.Com ^ | 1-7-04 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 01/07/2004 3:31:00 PM PST by Matchett-PI

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(Denver Post: Amnesty by another name),1002,36%7E148%7E,00.html (WT: Michelle Malkin: The criminal raid on Social Security) (AP: Bush proposal would alter immigration policy) (AP: Green card holders among critics of Bush plan)

Listen to Rush... (…discuss both sides of the immigration issue, the pros and cons) (…explain why the administration is positioning themselves politically on the issue)

1 posted on 01/07/2004 3:31:00 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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3 posted on 01/07/2004 3:32:55 PM PST by Matchett-PI (Why do America's enemies desperately want DemocRATS back in power?)
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Silly Conservatives! Taxes, laws and rules are for chumps!

4 posted on 01/07/2004 3:35:24 PM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: Matchett-PI
Thanks for the ping!
5 posted on 01/07/2004 3:42:02 PM PST by ConservativeMan55 (You know how those liberals are. Two's Company but three is a fundraiser.)
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6 posted on 01/07/2004 3:43:07 PM PST by ConservativeMan55 (You know how those liberals are. Two's Company but three is a fundraiser.)
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To: Matchett-PI
Okay glad to hear from Rush. And I will have to reread this again because my anger wouldn't let his points get across to me yet.
I am glad tho that I have a new prospective to think about, I usually agree with Rush. Thanks for posting this.
7 posted on 01/07/2004 3:46:44 PM PST by stopem
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To: stopem

This debate is curious one.  However, I am stuck in the middle. I grew up on the south side of Chicago in a deeply Hispanic neighborhood, where I was the minority (blond haired blue eyed, now graying though). Several restaurants close to my house didn't even have an English speaking person in them, I had to point to an item on the menu for what I wanted (the seafood soup was unbelievably good).

What I observed is that most of the people in my neighborhood were honorable, hard working, and dedicated to their families. They loved their adopted home (America) and they loved Mexico. But, they hated their corrupt government (a hundred times more corrupt then here) and knew that only poverty and despair awaits them in their country of birth. They escaped to America to provide a better life for themselves in spite loving their home country.

In spite of what other posters claim, they would not willing play host to terrorists anymore then the average American. They do not deserve to be flung back across the border by catapults. Borders do not need to mined, thus blowing up families trying to escape poverty. For most of us, it is just quirk of fate that we were born in America and a little compassionate conservatism is called for.

I truly do not know all the answers to this problem and believe that there is no easy solution. So, with every thing being said, even with the reasoned debate on this thread, I have seen no real solutions discussed or debated.

My rant about everyone over-blowing the immigration issue out of proportion!

  1. The total number of immigrants per year (including illegal and refugees) is somewhat less than it was in the peak years at the start of the 20th century, when the US population was less half as large its current population. The rate of immigration relative to the population is low rather than high. Immigration as a proportion of population is about a third of what is was in the peak years in the early part of the 20th century..
  2. In the early part to of the 20th century (1910-1920) the major debate in politics was that immigrants form southern Europe were going to destroy this country.  Those sneaky "I"talians and the dirty Irishman would bring this country to ruination. It seems the hatred has shifted to immigrants from Mexico?
  3. The U.S. government has forecast a shortage of 20 million workers by 2026 due to the aging baby boom and job growth.  Under the conditions that we now confront, we should be very carefully focused on the contribution which skilled people from abroad, (as well as) unskilled people from abroad, can contribute to this country, as they have for generation after generation.
  4. By the year 2050 according to Census projections racial and ethnic minorities will outnumber non-Hispanic whites. In the next fifty years this demographic shift will transform politics and business.  If us conservatives  lose the Hispanic vote, then we lose the nation.
  5. In the last decade hi tech professional immigrants have made extraordinary contributions to cutting edge US industries. It is estimated that almost one quarter of Silicon valley firms were established by immigrants. 
  6. Businesses founded by immigrants are a source of substantial economic and fiscal gain for U.S. citizens. Ten high-tech firms founded by immigrants (Intel, Sun Microsystems, Computer Associates, Solectron Lam Research, LSI Logic, AST Computer, Wang Laboratories, Amtel, Gupta Technologies, and Cypress Semiconductor) generated $32 billion in revenues in 2002. These and other businesses started by immigrants add at least another $29 billion to the total amount of taxes paid by immigrants.
  7. Immigrant entrepreneurs have revitalized neighborhood; from Dominicans in Manhattan's Washington Heights to Cubans in Miami's Little Havana, Hispanic immigrants have transformed their communities into thriving economically dynamic strongholds.  Of particular note is the resurgence of small business, which thirty years ago was in decay. Several researchers have suggested that immigration has encouraged the entrepreneurial drive of the total population, significantly contributing to this transformation.
  8. The average education of new immigrants has been increasing with each successive generation. The proportion of adult immigrants with 8 or fewer years of education has been decreasing and the proportion of adult immigrants with 16 years or more has been increasing. The proportion of immigrants with bachelor 's or postgraduate degrees is much higher than the proportion of the native labor force.
  9. Illegal aliens contribute about as much to the public coffers in taxes as they receive in benefits. New data suggests the undocumented pay about 46 percent as much in taxes as do natives, but use about 45 percent as much in services. A poll of the most respected economists found a consensus that both legal and illegal immigrants are beneficial economically.  However overall immigrants fare well in terms of income with adult, foreign-born, naturalized citizens actually have higher adjusted gross incomes (averaging $40,502) than families with U.S.-born citizens only ($35,249).  There goes the low wage myth.
  10. Most immigrants arrive in the United States in the prime of their working years. More than 70 percent of immigrants are over the age of 18 when they arrive in the United States. That means there are roughly 17.5 million immigrants in the United States today whose education and upbringing were paid for by the citizens of the sending country, not American taxpayers. The windfall to the United States of obtaining this human capital at no expense to American taxpayers is roughly $1.43 trillion. This makes immigrants a fiscal bargain for our country.

8 posted on 01/07/2004 3:49:23 PM PST by BushCountry (To the last, I will grapple with Democrats. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at Liberals.)
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To: ConservativeMan55
The first time Rush has yapped anything about illegals. do you remove 8 million illegals (without hiring 8 million more govt employees raising your taxes) or having a forced movement of persons that would make the Nazi trains to the concentration camps look like Thomas the tank engine!
9 posted on 01/07/2004 3:49:29 PM PST by kaktuskid
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To: Matchett-PI
Loved the irony of Rush's hysterical ranting that these people did something illegal and they should be deported. They broke the law he bemoaned, deport them.
10 posted on 01/07/2004 3:51:53 PM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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11 posted on 01/07/2004 3:52:56 PM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: kaktuskid
I have been making your point all day. Most have tried to discuss the problem, which I admit is serious, but refuse to address the issue of rounding up millions of people and putting them in camps awaiting due process and deportation.
12 posted on 01/07/2004 3:53:56 PM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: kaktuskid
Answer: by making it unworth their trouble to stay here. they'll leave of their own accord.

See Iron Eagle's suggestions here.

13 posted on 01/07/2004 4:01:07 PM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: BushCountry
I agree with many of your points. However, I strongly suggest you immediately don your asbestos pyjamas.
14 posted on 01/07/2004 4:01:31 PM PST by Restorer
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To: OldFriend
We could just send them all back easily. Who cares what anyone else thinks about it. They broke our laws and that's the only reason they are over here in the first place. We should deport every single one who came here illegally and not ever allow them back. Let the ones who obey our laws come here to work. I'm sick of everyone being so PC they can't just accept a fairly simple decision. They aren't Americans and I am getting disgusted with the lies that come our about how hard it would be to solve this problem.
15 posted on 01/07/2004 4:02:06 PM PST by Conservative_Nationalist (
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To: Matchett-PI
Well, I'm not persuaded by Rush's argument. In the first place, the last amnesty--under Ronald Reagan--did not solve the illegal immigrant problem. It just encouraged MORE illegal immigrants to come in, in the hope that they too would be legalized by the stroke of a pen. So, I agree that it's hard to deal with 6 million illegals, but you won't solve the problem by legalizing them. You'll just end up with 6 million legalized and maybe 12 million more illegals.

In the second place, sure, La Raza is screaming that this is a bad idea. It doesn't go far enough and it's being proposed by Bush, which automatically makes it bad. But why is that an argument for doing it? The Republicans are constantly passing half-way measures for blacks, workers, women, hispanics. By doing so, they simply make the extremists more angry than ever, and get very little credit. To simplify, the Democrats offer everyone in the country a hundred dollars. Then the Republicans say, "Oh, no, that's irresponsible. We'll give everyone in the country $50." NOT A WINNING STRATEGY.
16 posted on 01/07/2004 4:06:01 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Conservative_Nationalist
Round them up and put them in camps or just deport everyone who barely speaks english?

Pack them a lunch for the trip?

Should we bother with due process?

How about a camp in your town?

Do we provide them with medical care while they are in our custody?

17 posted on 01/07/2004 4:07:39 PM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: OldFriend
Bush again will have the Dems boxed in on this one..He is great at this! Look at the Dean thing..why would any major party go so far outside the box...They no longer have a choice! ONLY THE FRINGE IS GETTING EXCITED ABOUT THEM!
18 posted on 01/07/2004 4:12:54 PM PST by Republic Rocker
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To: Matchett-PI
I can see it now. Former illegals sue to recoup back- social security benefits and income taxes from times when they were working in the US illegally.
19 posted on 01/07/2004 4:13:16 PM PST by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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To: Sloth
I believe placing a bounty on illegals would provide an incentive for them to return to where they came from. Just my humble opinion. Feel free to flame away.
20 posted on 01/07/2004 4:13:28 PM PST by ex-Texan
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