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W's Live Speech Thread
Fox News | 1-7-04 | my favorite headache

Posted on 01/07/2004 11:29:59 AM PST by My Favorite Headache

Press conference starts at 2:45 EST....get the prilosec out...we are going to need it.



TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush43; illegalimmigrants; immigrationreform
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To: NautiNurse
Catholics aren't Christians. (quoting Righter-Than-Rush)

I guess we don't have to worry, as this guy has shown he is neither!

1,101 posted on 01/07/2004 2:18:11 PM PST by bcoffey
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To: rintense
I've seen you ask many good questions today about the specifics of this subject.
The bottom line, no one can give an answer about the specifics.
The legislative branch will have to craft a bill, it will be sent to the President, and he will either veto it (yeah right) or sign it into law.
This is just the head of the executive branch requesting the legislative branch send him a bill that addresses this issue and attempting to outline what he would like to see in that bill.

1,102 posted on 01/07/2004 2:18:11 PM PST by michigander
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To: Dolphy
And one can blame employers for low wages but these same people would be screaming if they saw those wages translated to higher prices for fruits, vegetables, etc.

This is the same argument plantation owners in the south made on behalf of slavery and its effect on the price of cotton.

Americans are ingenious people. Take away the lazy solution (slaves and indentured servants) and they tend to come up with new-fangled ways of increasing productivity and efficiency that are the envy of the world.

We don't need cheap labor with all its attendant social and political costs. We can do better. Much better.

1,103 posted on 01/07/2004 2:18:15 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Sloth
"Apply this to legalization of any other crime. Rape, for example. Or tax evasion."

Tax cuts are exactly that—legalization of tax evasion. Some people evade taxes because they are criminals; many more evade taxes because taxes are too high. Lowering tax rates reduces the population of that latter category, freeing up enforcement resources to focus on the former category. Tax revenues and compliance with tax laws go up.

Similarly, some employers violate immigration law because they are criminals, but most violate the law because the law is too onerous. Reduce the law's burden and resources are freed to focus on those with criminal intent. When employers violate unworkable OSHA or EPA or IRS regulations, we generally take their side here. What makes you think the INS (or whatever they call it these days) is the one efficient, benevolent bureaucracy in the gubmint?

Actually, the tax evasion analogy helps show why this will work. The Reagan amnesty didn't structually change immigration law, it just gave some people a free pass. In that sense the Reagan amnesty was like a one-time tax rebate (like those silly "muffler" checks that got mailed out in 2002). It didn't change anyone's long-term behavior because it didn't alter the law's burden. This plan, by contrast, makes a genuine change to the law, and will change behavior the same way tax cuts do.

1,104 posted on 01/07/2004 2:18:30 PM PST by Fabozz
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To: BushisTheMan
"there are some crimes that we would never legalize so your argument is null and void."

The unborn would beg to differ.

1,105 posted on 01/07/2004 2:18:36 PM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Generally, I am a pretty big Bush supporter.

But two things he has done recently are simply "stupid" and now one has reached the political threshold of "unforgiveable":

1. He signed the Campaign Finance Reform Act, and

2. He is now doing this.

#1 I can understand. He did it because of "politics", but made an serious error in judgment, i.e. he figured if he wouldn't stand up for the Constitution - just like Congress wouldn't - at least the Supreme Court would and he wouldn't have to take the heat either ... but, BIG stupid mistake...

#2 I cannot understand at all. Not at all. Bush now owns the immigration problem! He has completely discredited long-standing attempts to secure our borders and our nation from waves of illegal immigrants. This will ruin the struggling economy, will overwhelm our state and national welfare and medical support systems and destroy them, it will make our balance of payments worse, it will cause immense social upheaval, it will result in a Democrat victory in 2004 as this Administration is shunned and ignored in disgust by it's very base at the polls. Likely there will be increasing violence as the border states become more pro-Mexican and estranged from the rest of the country and we see de facto "ethnic cleansing" and sky-high resentment (just read through this thread if you want some examples of this).

I don't expect this can turn out peacefully now as this pressure cooker of problems will now be accepted as "normal" by both parties and something we must adapt to. We have just now increased our internal problems exponentially - not solved them - by compromising our national fabric, cohesion, laws and respect the system can any longer "solve" this problem. This is not a solution, only a harbringer of worse to come.

Political correctness, Liberals, lawyers and endless political pandering will do the business of destruction soon enough as we become an ungovernable mess like Yugoslavia with every ethnic and alien faction vying for politial power and supremacy while the ones who hold the Constitution dear are increasingly marginalized in scorn.

I think the only solution is the "California" solution - a wave of resentment sweeping away all current politicans which brings in an entirely new team. Who that will or could be, I have no idea. But, it probably won't be soon enough before awful damage is done.

/rant

1,106 posted on 01/07/2004 2:18:45 PM PST by Gritty ("we must come to grips with 8-12 million illegals, afford them some kind of legal status-Tom Ridge)
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To: BushisTheMan
>>No, I am suggesting that we work out a solution that is reasonable.>>

This may be a trap for illegals, which I would be in full favor of. However, given the political climate that gives predelection to screwing the people INSIDE the borders, I don't believe it.
1,107 posted on 01/07/2004 2:19:01 PM PST by Righter-than-Rush
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To: Righter-than-Rush
After 2000 years, we're supposed to believe that you are the smartest person in history because you can prove Catholics do not believe in the Bible and aren't Christians.

Pathetic.
1,108 posted on 01/07/2004 2:19:18 PM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: Hildy
He said this program requires these TEMPORARY workers to return to their country when the work is done.

So temporary workers who in the past did not return to their country when the work was done, are now going to do just that because Bush said they must? Who would have ever thought the solution to our illegal immigration problem would be so simple?

1,109 posted on 01/07/2004 2:19:24 PM PST by kevao
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To: Righter-than-Rush
Wow, you need a life.

Please, oh please enlighten us.
1,110 posted on 01/07/2004 2:19:44 PM PST by fml ( You can twist perception, reality won't budge. -RUSH)
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To: Righter-than-Rush
Hey stop trying to hijack the site to religion. This topic is about pandering. It raises the question should Bush pander to baseball fans and make a speech that gambling Pete Rose should be allowed to come into baseball country. Even though Rose committed an illegal act, employers have determined that no one wants to manage a baseball team in Cincinatti.
1,111 posted on 01/07/2004 2:19:49 PM PST by ex-snook (Protectism is patriotism in the war for American jobs.)
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To: sinkspur
I think I am looking at him on Fox news right now Sen. Liberman. He is going to give Bush a run for his money. That is my prediction.

It is a strange day indeed when a Democrat is vying for the conservative vote, and trying to look middle of the road to a Republician ,who in turn appears to be too far to the left.

Oh, BTW- You have always had an anti- Constitutional stand in any discussion with me. So just my observation, no kool aid, just persoanl experience.

1,112 posted on 01/07/2004 2:20:03 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ("were it not for the brave , there would be no land of the free")
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To: Righter-than-Rush
How rude, do you feel better....I don't have time to debate you....35 soldiers wounded in Iraq, I have to find out where...goodriddins!
1,113 posted on 01/07/2004 2:21:00 PM PST by mystery-ak (Mike...we are entering the home stretch)
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To: KantianBurke
huh?
1,115 posted on 01/07/2004 2:21:04 PM PST by BushisTheMan
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To: ohioWfan; cyncooper; altura; Kevin Curry; Rebelbase; Constitution Day
I thinks some folks are insensitive to being able to handle the heated banter of certain threads, and I resent having to put the lid down for them.

(in other words some folks need tougher skin if they are going to run with the pack and excessive modification of our speech is just a "dumbing us down to the lowest common demoninator")
1,116 posted on 01/07/2004 2:21:26 PM PST by Rebelbase (Hey, tlbshow up yours!)
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To: Gritty
Don't forget, Bush also signed the Farm Bill, a legislative monstrosity of epic proportions.
1,117 posted on 01/07/2004 2:21:50 PM PST by kevao
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To: mystery-ak
>>How rude, do you feel better....I don't have time to debate you....35 soldiers wounded in Iraq, I have to find out where...goodriddins!>>

I merely opened the door to debate. Sorry you do not wish to engage with facts instead of feelings. Bye.
1,118 posted on 01/07/2004 2:21:51 PM PST by Righter-than-Rush
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To: RightWhale
The policies put forth today will help those who broke the law and punish the law-abiding persons in waiting. It will not CHANGE anything. My guess is, the illegal slave-type labor will keep right on coming. And it doesn't change the fact that companies are taking advantage of desperate and starving people, still paying them less than our market value (In fact, paying them below market value is part of this plans requirement.)

It also will not stop taxpayers from funding this entire thing -- you know, the very people supposedly saving money on products and services with cheap labor.

This benefits no one but greedy companies.

1,119 posted on 01/07/2004 2:22:43 PM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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To: Kevin Curry; RJayneJ; JohnHuang2
#1103 Quote of Day nomination
1,120 posted on 01/07/2004 2:22:49 PM PST by Nataku X
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