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Eighteen Illegal Alien solutions that are better than any Amnesty
January 7th, 2003 | Sabertooth

Posted on 01/07/2004 8:25:32 AM PST by Sabertooth

Well, today’s the big day, if the leaks and reports coming from the Bush Administration are true. The President is supposed to announce a new direction in America’s immigration policy that would result, among other things, in some sort of legalization for millions of the Illegal Aliens currently in our country, violating our laws. This, of course, would be nothing less than Amnesty by another name.

We’re told by handwringers and the political and media elites that there is really no workable solution to the Illegal Alien problem, so we might as well legalize them so we can get track of them. Thouughtless people on both sides of the debate jawbone about silly ideas like building a wall at the Mexican border, or house to house searches, as though they were viable solutions, or the only alternatives to Amnesty ore the status quo.

It’s disappointing, frankly. There is a great disconnect when people claim that while we can put men on the moon, or win the Cold War and the War on Terror, there is no reasonable or cost effective means of solving the Illegal Alien problem without infringing on the civil liberties of all Americans.

Nonsense, this nation is plenty capable of solving any problem we decide to solve, and poll after poll shows that the American people want the problem of Illegal Aliens solved, and that Amnesty isn’t a solution to us.

Dealing with Illegals doesn't have to be the enormous burden on resources many imagine, not would it have to infringe on civil liberties.

I've posted this on a few threads, but today seems like a good day for a revised reposting of as a stand-alone thread.

This problem is no harder to solve than wanting to solve it. We can get rid of Illegals rather effectively, by rolling up our sleeves and getting the Illegals to get rid of themselves.

The first order of business, of course, is to enforce existing laws on the books against Illegals and those who employ them. Also, politicians must be held to account when they pander otherwise.

Then...

The list above is by no means comprehensive, and can be adopted piecemeal or in a single package. That said, incrementalism is probably going to be the way to go, especially politically.

These measures would provide a little carrot and lots of stick for Illegals already here to get themselves out. Some of them will need to be tested in the courts, which is another reason to adopt them piecemeal, so that an injunction against omnibus legislation can't stall the whole effort.

We ought to be looking initially at easy, politically safe legislation, like the new accounting for family reunification, Border Security/IRS cooperation, English speaking citizenship requirements, and a few others. Our politicians are a trembling, timid bunch, and need to gain a little self-confidence before they'll tackle more difficult issues.

Note a few things that aren't on my list: troops or walls on the border. I think they are a futile diversion from cost effective solutions. The best possible wall at the border is to let foreigners know that we respect our sovereignty, and they had best do the same.

Note that their are no house to house searches.

Note also that I don't call for an immigration moratorium, though others may. I think their position is within the respectable mainstream of a dialogue about immigration, and while it's possible that I might change my mind later, but I am not currently persuaded that an outright moratorium is or will be necessary.

The main problem is multimillion-strong mass of Illegals, and the secondary problem is how we currently select legal immigrants for rapid assimilation into American society. I believe my proposals adequately address both situations, but there is certainly room for debate on the back end.

Note also that I have a guest worker program that is actually honest and responsible, and not an Amnesty by another name. My program would ensure that law-abiding foreigners are background-checked before entry, rather than rewarding lawbreaking Illegals after the fact.

All of the above could be adopted while allowing politicians so-inclined to chant the "compassionate conservatism" mantra.

A few final thoughts...

My proposals will cost money and require an expansion of the federal government in certain areas. However, this expense and expansion is all well within the legitimate, Constitutional responsibilities of the federal government. There will be a greater expense initially, as we ramp up to deal with the backlog of Illegals, but a number of my proposals are at least partially self-funding. Also, success in these endeavors will eventually reduce the need for them, and as many Illegals would leave on their own. There will be future savings, it should be noted, as the population of Illegals is dwindles and their net drain on our resources is reduced.

In contrast, there would be also be an increased expense and expansion of the government if there is an Amnesty, as checking backgrounds and processing 8 to 12 million Illegals wouldn't be cheap. However, such increases and expansions would only serve to reward the lawlessness of Illegals and the cowardice of politicians, thereby encouraging more of the same in both, unless there were also enforcement proposals like mine in effect for the American Interior.

But, if we strengthened and enforced our laws consistently within our borders, then we don't need the phantom solution of Amnesty anyway.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
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To: Sabertooth
By the way, what time is the announcement scheduled for?
21 posted on 01/07/2004 8:49:51 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Sabertooth
I agree wholeheartedly with your list of ideas. Good combination of carrots and sticks. However, #12 may be a bit tricky as I think it might require a Constitutional Amendment. Please correct me if I am wrong on the Constitutional description of a "native born" citizen.
22 posted on 01/07/2004 8:57:29 AM PST by RebelBanker (Deo Vindice)
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To: Sabertooth
Vanity or not, many of these suggestions are common sense approaches to dealing with the "immigration problem."
23 posted on 01/07/2004 9:03:01 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: Sabertooth
You missed the most overlooked one:

REFORM WELFARE!

24 posted on 01/07/2004 9:04:36 AM PST by rintense
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To: Sabertooth
8: Seize the assets of businesses knowingly hiring Illegals under the RICO Act, as they are ongoing criminal enterprises. Prosecute executives who knowingly hire Illegals.

That measure alone would probably send 90% of them home if seriously enforced. Good job Saber!

25 posted on 01/07/2004 9:07:56 AM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. - Impeach activist judges!)
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To: Sabertooth
Vanity or not, many of these suggestions are common sense approaches to dealing with the "immigration problem."

The issue of "anchor babies" can be solved by allowing offspring of illegals born in the US (or, for that matter, of legal non-citizens) to claim their citizenship "upon attainment of their majority" (i.e. when they become adults).

26 posted on 01/07/2004 9:08:48 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for the ping.
27 posted on 01/07/2004 9:10:23 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture (My karma ran over my dogma)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
El Rushbo just said that it is scheduled for 2:45 EST.
28 posted on 01/07/2004 9:10:34 AM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. - Impeach activist judges!)
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To: TigersEye
Thanks. I wont miss it.
29 posted on 01/07/2004 9:12:06 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Sabertooth
I'm not sure about outlawing the matricular consular. ID is ID and at various times banks have to accept foreign IDs, as do our government officials on occasion. As long as we have legal visitors those visitors might want to do some banking and might get speeding tickets and these are valid times to present whatever ID their government is providing and each bank or government agency is going to have to decide if that's good enough for them. Unless a particular kind of ID is useless for identification purposes (like the old AZ drivers licenses that looked like cheap school yard forgeries) there's no reason to set a blanket policy.
30 posted on 01/07/2004 9:13:59 AM PST by discostu (stay alert, trust no one, keep your laser handy)
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To: TigersEye
You bet. The big question is why didn't they implement these simple solutions and other solutions years ago?

The answer to that question is the root of this corrupt lunacy.
31 posted on 01/07/2004 9:14:29 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Sabertooth
Lots of good ideas. Nothing has prevented us from doing them for the last few decades. If we wanted to do so, we could have. Why do you think we haven't? What has changed to make you think we are now willing to deal with the massive illegal immigration into this country?

I think effective enforcement of existing immigration laws would resolve the problem of illegal immigration, and the massive illegal alien population. Obviously, that hasn't been happening for some decades. I think there is a lack of will, or desire, on the part of Americans to resolve the illegal immigration problem by enforcing the existing laws. As Ridge has suggested, if that is the case, let's revisit the laws to reflect what we really want to enforce. If not, that makes the case for stepping up enforcement of existing law.

There are two problems: ongoing illegal immigration and the massive existing population of illegal aliens.

The existing illegal alien population must be dealt with in some way, such as an amnesty, or deported. However you deal with this problem, it does not resolve the problem of ongoing illegal immigration.

Ongoing illegal immigration is the problem that must be resolved first.

I look forward to hearing what President Bush has to offer in the way of resolving the problem of ongoing illegal immigration.
32 posted on 01/07/2004 9:18:36 AM PST by TheDon (Have a Happy New Year!)
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To: Sabertooth
13: Outlaw bilingual ballots, and resume the English-speaking requirements for citizenship. 14: Establish English skills as a prerequisite for future immigrants. Let's start admitting folks who will hit the ground running toward assimilation.

Good gosh, this all makes too much sense, but these 2 in particular... gold! If we could get over ourselves, and over political correctness, we'd realize how good that would be for EVERYONE concerned!

33 posted on 01/07/2004 9:20:17 AM PST by brownsfan (I didn't leave the democratic party, the democratic party left me.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
"No controlling legal authority?" or is it "No indwelling ethical principles?"
34 posted on 01/07/2004 9:20:53 AM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. - Impeach activist judges!)
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To: TigersEye
Can we start a fund to hire some lawyers to file suit against businesses that hire illegals?
35 posted on 01/07/2004 9:21:37 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: TheDon
The existing illegal alien population must be dealt with in some way, such as an amnesty, or deported.

I like Sabertooth's solutions better since neither of these two will work.

36 posted on 01/07/2004 9:23:37 AM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. - Impeach activist judges!)
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To: discostu
If they are in the country legally, they have no need for a Matricula Consular as a form of photo identification. They can use their passport, their foreign drivers' license or ID card, etc.
37 posted on 01/07/2004 9:23:44 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Sabertooth
Gosh, even one of them would be a help. All 18 would likely fix the problem. Walls--well, they can be climbed or broken through. The thing is, the main reason we can't keep them out right now is that there is too much in it for them to keep coming in. Amnesty will release torrents we can't even imagine, and it's bad enough now.
38 posted on 01/07/2004 9:25:08 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Sabertooth
Don't know how politically viable it all is, but it sounds more like what I want to do than whatever we're likely to see anytime soon.
39 posted on 01/07/2004 9:26:09 AM PST by VadeRetro
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The vast majority of American's do not support amnesty for illegal aliens. Immigration laws should be followed and border security should be strengthened and enforced. Many foreigners have waited years to enter America legally and eventually become American citizens. People who follow the legal process should be given priority. It's an injustice and frankly, it's immoral to reward people with citizenship, who have entered the US illegally. Illegal aliens should be prosecuted, fined, deported and if necessary imprisoned.

Bottom line, amnesty and open borders aren't the answer to solve the problem of illegal immigration.

40 posted on 01/07/2004 9:28:13 AM PST by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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