America's fate in hands of illegal aliens?

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WND BOOKS

America's fate in hands
of illegal aliens?

New WND book shows immgration issue could determine future of U.S.

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Posted: January 7, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

With the U.S. government poised to make sweeping changes to immigration laws critics say amount to de facto mass amnesty, WorldNetDaily's publishing division, WND Books, announces a powerful new book destined to supercharge the debate over illegal immigration.

In "Illegals: The Imminent Threat Posed by Our Unsecured U.S.-Mexico Border," veteran journalist Jon E. Dougherty documents the hard truth that both major political parties have missed – namely, that sustained high immigration levels from south of the border will continue to pose economic, labor, security and criminal threats to the United States, unless American and Mexican leaders find ways to limit it.

Taking readers right to the front lines of the "border wars," "Illegals" includes interviews with citizens living along the most traveled border corridors in the American Southwest, as well as Border Patrol agents and other immigration officials who are charged with guarding and protecting America's nearly 2,000-mile-long border with Mexico.

Dougherty also brings readers along on actual "missions" involving local citizens' groups who are trying desperately to stem the tide of the illegal incursions. And he takes readers into the lives of men and women who have been victimized by hordes of illegal immigrants who cross their property by the thousands every year.

While acknowledging that most immigrants come to America to work and others come because they truly want to become U.S. citizens, "Invasion" shows that an increasing number come "merely to clamor for opportunities and benefits not available to them in their home countries."

"Worse," writes Dougherty, "there is a growing faction in America assisting them – knowing all along these immigrants aren't interested in enriching American society, but rather to take what they can from it."

"There is also a change in mindset among elements of the political establishment and among the U.S. population, in terms of immigration," writes Dougherty. "In years past, gaining access to America so one could share in its promise was treated as a privilege, not a right to be granted automatically just because you could make it over the border. Today, however, the process of immigration – indeed, the requirement our immigrants assimilate into our society – has changed dramatically."

"Illegals" is especially timely now, coming on the heels of an announcement by Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge at a town hall-style meeting in Miami Dec. 10. Ridge said Americans need to "come to grips" with an estimated 8 million to 12 million illegal immigrants and "determine how you can legalize their presence."

Though President Bush said Ridge's comments were not akin to granting illegal immigrants amnesty – a policy Bush said he doesn't support because it rewards lawbreaking – immigration-reform advocates and opponents in Congress say such a plan, were it to be adopted, would in practice be nothing less.

"Illegals" provides a gripping and profoundly disturbing dose of truth – the kind most politicians, whether Democrat or Republican, can't seem to confront – about immigration in modern America. As politicians now attempt to deal with this crucial national issue, the book couldn't have come at a more important moment.

Indeed, writes Dougherty in "Illegals": "How the problem is solved – or not solved – ultimately may decide the fate of this nation."

"Illegals: The Imminent Threat Posed by Our Unsecured U.S.-Mexico Border" is now available for pre-order exclusively from WorldNetDaily's online store, ShopNetDaily.

Related book:

Michelle Malkin's 'Invasion'

[Amerigomag]

Actually I was talking about the H1-b situation, maybe ignorantly.

It was my understanding that when the dot-com collapse occurred it was the H1-b visa folks who elected to take the huge hits in salary necessary to stay employed while those paying off staggering college education loans initially refused to take the hit thinking they could find more equitable salaries elsewhere.

In the end the American techies were simply unemployed but their Plan B (a humble return to the mother ship for a lot less pay) back door was shut by the H1-bs.

[William McKinley]

There probably was quite a bit of that. I can't deny that there were a lot of problems with the H-1B visa program, and I would love to see that program terminated or severely curtailed.

But even then there is a big difference because with the programming jobs there was a lot of room for downward salary pressure, and with these jobs there already has been this downward pressure (they have the jobs already!) and there can't be much (if any) more downward pressure on wages because the pay is already so low. Any savings from additional downward pressure would almost certainly be offset by the costs of trying to ensure compliance with the law here.

But it isn't here or there. We both agree it is a bad proposal. Let's just agree to agree it is for different reasons.

[Amerigomag]

So the question becomes, are wages be depressed in these jobs that illegals are currently working

I'm talking about the system Bush proposes which matches willing domestic employers to willing foreign workers after determining that the domestic labor supply is exhausted. This system will apply to Lockheed Aerospace as well as McDonald's as far as I know.

[DoctorMichael]

America's fate in hands of illegal aliens?

No. America's fate will be in the hands of a people that have no allegiance to this country. A very scary thought.

In 50 or 100 years, when the call goes out to defend this country, and no one responds, what will happen then?

[William McKinley]

I think we'd need to look at what the criteria are which would satisfy the requirement of "No American wanted the job".

[Amerigomag]

Let's just agree to agree it is for different reasons.

I think we can also both agree that if the system is as simple as presented today, the potential for wholesale abuse by employers, creating new job descriptions with much lower pay rates, will be very detrimental to a generation of highly trained, domestic technicians.

[Ima Lurker]

Amen to that!! Either we are a nation of laws or we are not. Just how does the government decide which broken laws they will prosecute and which they will reward?

[William McKinley]

I can go along with that, to the degree that I know that nothing is as simple as presented in these speeches. The actual bills end up being volumous, and consider many more aspects than are divulged up front (and usually contain a hell of a lot of pork that isn't mentioned up front either).

[Amerigomag]

I can go along with that, to the degree that I know that nothing is as simple as presented in these speeches.

I'm in agreement again. Especially since the ideas presented in the speech have to go through three more processes before they are effectively implemented.

First the legislation, then the promulgation of the legislation into regulation at the department level and finally judicial review.

Few US citizens realize that during the promulgation process there may be substantial modification in original intent and letter that occurs depending on the administration and/or the simple whim of that cabinet member.

As an example several elements of Bush's proposal requires individuals to "apply" for things. That initial application may be a simple one page sheet that is processed in only 60 days or may become a complex, interactive process that literally takes forever to complete because of the needs and capabilities of the various departments involved in the process.

[lainde]

bttt

[Risa]

>>They got what they voted for.<<

I think that is not true. I know many people who are in shock at the true philosophies of G.W. Bush. Who ever would have thought that G.W. Bush is an ideologue of radical libertarian economic theory and all that it implies (open borders, hollowing out industry, deifying that fake high priest of private bankers, Alan Greenspan, with his specious cheap wage = low inflation theories, faith-based handouts from taxpayers, a medicare bill that transfers vast taxpayer wealth to private business, massive agribusiness subsidies, and so on). Bill CLinton damaged badly the Democratic party by posing as a Democrat. One wonders what will become of the Republican party after G.W.


Frankly, I don't see much difference at all between Clitnon and Bush in terms of economic and social policy.

[Indie]

It is an imminent threat and is a danger to our country's financial resources as well as a safety threat. This should be moved up to front page news.
Anyone who tries to mitigate what is happening here is blind. I've got a few predictions about the US within the next 5 years. Let's just say the Christian values and culture of America are rapidly disappearing....and they eventually will. This country will demote itself to a socialist oligarchy where policy is determined by how best to stay in power. Yep..we are finished as a nation state.It's nor IF...it's how soon.

[Varda]

There's a difference between getting what you vote for and getting what you wish for. The virtue of prudence requires wide-eyed objectivity. The prudent voter looks at the record of the politician and those around him (and ignores the propaganda pro and con).

What you call radical economic theory is usually called globalisation. It's a done deal among the corporate set. These people invested heavily in GW prior to the campaign. Remember that he had more than 70 million cash on hand before the primaries. But even if that didn't set off red flags, the voter could have been clued in by paying attention to GW's speeches prior to the campaign.

"The Clintonesque George Bush,
October 9, 1999
by Edward H. Crane

"George W.: "Government must be carefully limited -- but strong and active and respected within those bounds."

The latter statement is defining for the Eastern Establishment of the Republican Party. In the tradition of Nelson Rockefeller, George Romney, Bob Dole and Governor Bush's father, George Bush, these Republicans pay lip service to "limited government" to keep the conservative-libertarian majority of the party on board, but then govern with "strong and active" intervention." http://www.cato.org/dailys/10-09-99.html

There were many other red flags in Bush speeches and appointments. Those who ignored what he said and did in favor of what they "felt" about the candidate got what they voted for.

[ovrtaxt]

Actually, Buchanan made it clear-- Bush is not a true conservative. I gritted my teeth and voted for him, hoping that things wouldn't turn out too badly. So far, I have been half wrong and half right.

[XBob]

22 - bttt, deserves repeating:

"This is THE coming problem for the U.S. It is larger than ANY other threat we have faced. Larger than 9-11...larger than ANYTHING we have previously faced. I've been saying that since I started posting on Free Republic. Very few are listening. I told the bunch in Austin that this is THE major problem facing this country."

[XBob]

28 - "The brilliance? The part that says anyone wanting to take part in this must get their employer to show no Americans wanted the job. "

Simple to overcome, and being practiced already, here in Texas - Simply Add: Other Qualifications, must be bilingual, fluent in Mexican Spanish and English to qualify.

[XBob]

36 - SS - Good point = "The key here is to find a penalty that makes it so costly to hire illegal immigrants that rational employers will refrain from doing so. Obviously, penalties and enforcement should be ratcheted up in this area. "

A solution, I have already posted on another thread:

For the first illegal found in a company, the company must pay for his return to home country. For the second illegal found, the company must pay for the return of him and another one picked up by dept of immigration. For the third illegal found, the company must pay for the return of him, and the return of 3 others picked up by the dept of immigration. These numbers would be continuously progressed and tracked. So that for the 51st illegal found with the company, they would have to pay for 50 returns in addition to the one caught. etc, etc, etc

This would make it a gradual progress, which small companies or mistakes could be 'afforded' and the big violaters would be forced to stop or lose their company.

[Mamzelle]

re: If I wanted to live in Mexico, I would move to Mexico. )))

Would you, now? You might be interested to know that Mexico is highly restrictive about immigration...

[Cultural Jihad]

I like it. It shows measured justice, and a creative idea, as well. But the employer is not there to do the job of the Federal government. They don't have forgery experts or detectives in their employ. A conviction would have to be conditional upon proof of intent. Also, it should not be used against individuals who hire casual laborers, just corporations, and even then perhaps those corporations who have at least x number of employees.

A better idea is to institute some sort of tamper-proof biometric markings to track citizen and visitor alike. If an employee's arm doesn't register a chip, or if the retinal scan shows no match in the database, the person was hired illegally. Combine biometrics with a tamper-proof card, and you have a good system in place to assure compliance with the laws.

[Cultural Jihad]

Not that restrictive. There are huge communities of Americans, many retired, living in Mexico.