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GSA's Position on Evolution (Time for "Deep Time"!);
Geological Society of America ^ | May, 2001 | Steven Stanley

Posted on 01/06/2004 12:39:08 PM PST by gobucks

GSA Position Statement

Evolution — May 2001 Contributors: Steven M. Stanley — Chair

The Geological Society of America recognizes that the evolution of life stands as one of the central concepts of modern science. Research in numerous fields of science during the past two centuries has produced an increasingly detailed picture of how life has evolved on Earth.

The rock record is a treasure trove of fossils, and by 1841, eighteen years before Charles Darwin published On the Origin of Species, geologists had not only assembled much of the geologic time scale from physical relationships among bodies of rock, but they had also recognized that fossils document profound changes in life throughout Earth¹s history. Darwin showed that biological evolution provides an explanation for these changes. Since the time of Darwin, geologists have continued to uncover details of life's history, and biologists have continued to elucidate the process of evolution. Thus, our understanding of life¹s evolution has expanded through diverse kinds of research, much of it in fields unknown to Darwin such as genetics, biochemistry, and micropaleontology. In short, the concept of organic evolution has not only withstood the test of time — the ultimate test of any scientific construct — but it has been greatly enriched.

In recent years, certain individuals motivated by religious views have mounted an attack on evolution. This group favors what it calls "creation science", which is not really science at all because it invokes supernatural phenomena. Science, in contrast, is based on observations of the natural world. All beliefs that entail supernatural creation, including the idea known as intelligent design, fall within the domain of religion rather than science. For this reason, they must be excluded from science courses in our public schools.

This separation of domains does not mean that science and religion are fundamentally incompatible. Many scientists who conduct research on the evolution of life are religious, and many major religions formally accept the importance of biological evolution.

Misinterpreting the Bible's creation narratives as scientific statements, many creationists go so far as to attack the validity of geologic time — time that extends back billions of years. "Deep time" is the foundation of modern geology. It was actually well established, though not quantified, by geologists decades before Darwin published his ideas or most scientists came to accept evolution as the explanation for the history of life. Furthermore, thousands of geologists employing many new modes of research refined the geologic time scale during the Twentieth Century. Near the start of that century, the discovery of naturally occurring radioactive substances provided clocks for measuring actual ages for segments of the geologic record. Today, some billion-year-old rocks can be dated with a precision of less than a tenth of one percent. Moreover, modern geologists can identify particular environments where sediments that are now rocks accumulated hundreds of millions of years ago: margins of ancient oceans where tides rose and fell, for example, and valley floors across which rivers meandered back and forth, and ancient reefs that grew to thicknesses of hundreds of meters but were built by organisms that could not have grown faster than a few millimeters a year. By studying the fossil record that forms part of this rich archive of Earth¹s history, paleontologists continue to uncover details of the long and complex history of life.

Acceptance of deep time is not confined to academic science. If commercial geologists could find more fossil fuel by interpreting the rock record as having resulted from a single flood or otherwise encompassing no more than a few thousand years, they would surely accept this unconventional view, but they do not. In fact, these profit-oriented geologists have joined with academic researchers in refining the standard geologic time scale and bringing to light the details of deep earth history.

Modern studies of the evolution of Earth and its life are not only aiding us in the search for natural resources, but also helping us to understand how the Earth-life system functions. Annual layers of ice in the Greenland glacier, for example, range back more than a hundred thousand years. These ice records warn that Earth¹s climate may change with devastating speed in the future. The geologic record also reveals how various forms of life have responded to past environmental change, sometimes migrating, sometimes evolving, and sometimes becoming extinct. In the present world, bacteria are now evolving rapidly in ways that render antibiotics ineffective; to respond to bacterial evolution, we must understand evolution in general.

The immensity of geologic time and the evolutionary origin of species are concepts that pervade modern geology and biology. These concepts must therefore be central themes of science courses in public schools; creationist ideas have no place in these courses because they are based on religion rather than science. Without knowledge of deep time and the evolution of life, students will not understand where they and their world have come from, and they will lack valuable insight for making decisions about the future of their species and its environment.

© 2001 The Geological Society of America top


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To: Modernman
I would prefer to leave the decision as to what religion, if any, their kids should learn about, to parents and their clergy of choice. Why do you insist on using my tax dollars to subsidize your religious beliefs?

And why do you insist on making Christians pay for public schools that DONT WORK FOR THEM? THAT MISTREAT THEIR KIDS? That undermine their morality, views and opinions? I would remind you that I PAY TAXES TOO. I also send my kids to private schools because of the way public schools miseducate kids - indoctrinating in low standards, indoctrinating in PC ethics that I oppose, indoctrinating in "diversity" and multicultural lies, etc.

It angers me that you insist I PAY TWICE FOR ONE CHILDS EDUCATION simply because you are too narrow-minded to introduce traditional morality into the classroom where it never should have been removed! I am not asking to force *your* child to believe *anything* but *you are forcing me* to leave me child ignorant or take him out of public schools.

I dont ask for YOUR tax dollars to educate my child. I WANT MY TAX DOLLARS TO EDUCATE MY CHILD - LET ME GET THE EDUCATION I CHOOSE FROM THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM. DONT TREAT ME LIKE A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN!!!

Excuse me for shouting, but the arrogance that religious folks have to go in the back of the bus, sit down, shut up and just TAKE IT, I find appalling.

41 posted on 01/06/2004 2:00:52 PM PST by WOSG (The only thing that will defeat us is defeatism itself)
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To: WOSG
By your logic, we should forbid sex education throughout the land. Do you agree?

I disagree because sex ed is a purely non-religious issue. If an elected school board wants to set up a curiculum that includes sex ed, the proper way for annoyed parents to change things is to elect a new school board.

However, teaching religion in public schools is a violation of the 1st Amendment.

42 posted on 01/06/2004 2:02:13 PM PST by Modernman (Providence protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Physicist; gobucks
LOL. And even more to the point, try to defend it here on this site, and see what happens to you
43 posted on 01/06/2004 2:03:23 PM PST by Markofhumanfeet
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To: gobucks; John H K
Antecedent: Some rocks are very old and come from "deep time."

Consequent: Therefore, animals evolve into new species.

ROFL!

My Consequent: Geologists who have faith in that argument are bloomin' idjits!
44 posted on 01/06/2004 2:03:43 PM PST by familyop (Essayons - motto of good, stable psychotics with a purpose)
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To: balrog666
Joke's on you. "The West" as a term is recent and "western civilization" has commonly meant Roman ancient civilization and the European civilization that followed. viz. Toynbee's History.

"Huh? What other "western religion" is there that guided the civilization of Europe and America for the last 1800 years? "

Still looking for a name ... what religion other than Christianity is a 'western religion' that needs equal time ... anyone???

45 posted on 01/06/2004 2:04:30 PM PST by WOSG (The only thing that will defeat us is defeatism itself)
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To: WOSG
If you really believe all that, I suggest that rather than screaming at the secular tide in science, you push for school choice, school vouchers, public funding of education, or, at lease, an end to the teacher's unions control of the ciricula. Or are you just talking out of both sides of your mouth on the issue?
46 posted on 01/06/2004 2:05:42 PM PST by balrog666 (Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.)
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To: balrog666
"... public funding of education...

Make that "the end of public funding of education".

47 posted on 01/06/2004 2:07:29 PM PST by balrog666 (Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.)
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To: WOSG
And why do you insist on making Christians pay for public schools that DONT WORK FOR THEM?

I don't. I'm a big supporter of school choice and am involved in the school choice movement in Virginia. We're talking about what should be taught in public schools here, so your point is moot.

48 posted on 01/06/2004 2:08:05 PM PST by Modernman (Providence protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: WOSG
The secularists hate that, of course, because they like it just fine to raise the next generation ignorant of religion and God.

You should note also that the secularists want to tax everybody else to pay for this ignorance. Kinda like they way they want to help the "poor", but only with other people's money. You won't see rich liberals like Teddy "the swimmer" ponying up their own assets in this life.

Funny how it is, when it's time to fund these grand schemes of societal betterment, the few who actually claim to believe it IS betterment will hear of nothing but of forcing everybody else to pay for it.

49 posted on 01/06/2004 2:08:33 PM PST by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: Modernman
"I disagree because sex ed is a purely non-religious issue. "

So what? The reason you said we shouldnt teach religion in school is that some parents dont want their kids taught that. True. And some *other* parents *do* want their kids taught that.

As a father of a 1st and 3rd grader, who sends them to private school because the public schools dont serve our family well enough, I am wholly against my kids getting condom education of any kind. It never belonged in the schools, is harmful, wasteful of tax dollars that could and should be better spent on real academic teaching.

"If an elected school board wants to set up a curiculum that includes sex ed, the proper way for annoyed parents to change things is to elect a new school board. "

And the same could be said about a school board that decided to teach the life and times of Martin Luther as a History segment. ... or that introduced Creation theories as an alternative to evolution in biology. "take it
up with the school board". Indeed, that also handles
the issues of 'equal time' or not.

The analogy still holds.

"However, teaching religion in public schools is a violation of the 1st Amendment."

Um, (a) no it's not; (b) introducing creation theories is hardly "teaching religion".

50 posted on 01/06/2004 2:11:11 PM PST by WOSG (The only thing that will defeat us is defeatism itself)
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To: John H K; gobucks
YECs are an endangered species, even on FR, I don't think there are more than 1 or 2 of them, was curious if there were more.

There were many, but they've all been silenced. Or they hide over in the religion ghetto not causing any trouble

51 posted on 01/06/2004 2:11:55 PM PST by Markofhumanfeet
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To: WOSG
Joke's on you. "The West" as a term is recent and "western civilization" has commonly meant Roman ancient civilization and the European civilization that followed. viz. Toynbee's History.

Fine, I want Mithraism to be taught since it was a major influence on Roman civilization. Get ready for your kids to learn about orgies involving women and bulls.

Still looking for a name ... what religion other than Christianity is a 'western religion' that needs equal time ... anyone???

Why is this relevant? Americans have the right to choose whatever religion they prefer, Western or not.

52 posted on 01/06/2004 2:11:58 PM PST by Modernman (Providence protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: WOSG
Nope. The west refers to the western hemisphere, i.e., Europe and, by extension, the Americas. Western Rome vs the Eastern Empire was a later division. Gee, you ever heard of the Greeks, WOSG? How about any earlier groups?

Oh, and, since you like Rome, how many official religions did the Romans have?

53 posted on 01/06/2004 2:13:23 PM PST by balrog666 (Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.)
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To: WOSG

"However, teaching religion in public schools is a violation of the 1st Amendment."

Um, (a) no it's not; (b) introducing creation theories is hardly "teaching religion".

Half a century of legal decisions tend to disagree with you, but what the hey....

54 posted on 01/06/2004 2:14:43 PM PST by Modernman (Providence protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Modernman
I don't. I'm a big supporter of school choice and am involved in the school choice movement in Virginia. We're talking about what should be taught in public schools here, so your point is moot. I will leave it on a point of agreement then. You should note that to some folks, if it is funded by tax money, it is a 'public school'... we will have to handle the semantics carefully, but to an ACLU nutter, school choice *is* puting religion in 'public schools'. It's for this reason that I disagree with the statement "you cannot teach religion in public schools". Actually, under certain situations you can and you should teach religion in 'public schools' (or at least charter/voucher-funded schools), so long as parents and students have the choice and right to partake or not in it. That, deep down, is what school choice is all about.
55 posted on 01/06/2004 2:15:58 PM PST by WOSG (The only thing that will defeat us is defeatism itself)
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To: balrog666; WOSG
Oh, and, since you like Rome, how many official religions did the Romans have?

Just one, Baalism

56 posted on 01/06/2004 2:16:06 PM PST by Markofhumanfeet
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To: Markofhumanfeet
Just one, Baalism

Really? I thought that was Carthage.

What about the Emperor-worshipping cults?

57 posted on 01/06/2004 2:17:34 PM PST by Modernman (Providence protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Markofhumanfeet
There were many, but they've all been silenced.

And just afterwards, you showed up. Accident or intelligent design?

58 posted on 01/06/2004 2:18:31 PM PST by Physicist
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To: Physicist; Markofhumanfeet
There were many, but they've all been silenced.

More like, they couldn't play by the rules of civil discourse, so they ended up getting zotted. It wasn't what they said, it was how they said it.

59 posted on 01/06/2004 2:20:00 PM PST by Modernman (Providence protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: balrog666
If you really believe all that, What is not to argue with in my measured and calm exposition? :-) I suggest that rather than screaming at the secular tide in science, you push for school choice, school vouchers, public funding of education, or, at lease, an end to the teacher's unions control of the ciricula.

Been there, done that. IMHO School Choice is the #1 issue and thing that would save our culture from the lefties. I am not even sure what "secular tide in science" means - it is the mis-education of children I was talking about, and it will continue until we break the leftists monopoly on education.

Or are you just talking out of both sides of your mouth on the issue? huh?

60 posted on 01/06/2004 2:20:04 PM PST by WOSG (The only thing that will defeat us is defeatism itself)
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