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Valid $179 Million Lost Lottery Ticket Turned In- Battle Looms Over 'Lost Property'
Detroit Free Press ^ | 1/6/04

Posted on 01/06/2004 8:28:02 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:13:17 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

CLEVELAND (AP) -- Someone turned in a valid ticket for the $162 million Mega Millions multistate lottery jackpot, the Ohio Lottery said Tuesday, a day after a Cleveland woman claimed she lost the winning ticket outside the convenience store where it was sold.


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To: Jim Cane
Lottery: The tax on stupidity.

I have always called it that myself. The dumber you are, the mare you pay.

I do, however, own up to being stupid for a dollars worth everytime it goes over $50 million.

301 posted on 01/06/2004 12:52:16 PM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: AppyPappy
I disagree.. the lottery commission knows the exact time of sale, and I'm sure the store has a surveillance camera.
302 posted on 01/06/2004 12:56:22 PM PST by StatesEnemy
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To: RandallFlagg
RandallFlagg
Since Jan 15, 2000

Roland's coming to get ya.

303 posted on 01/06/2004 12:59:15 PM PST by StatesEnemy
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To: Protagoras
I do, however, own up to being stupid for a dollars worth everytime it goes over $50 million.

That's actually smarter than you think.

For any lottery where a drawing's unwon jackpot "rolls over" into the next drawing's jackpot (and as far as I know, all state lotteries work this way), there comes a point where you'll actually *make* money (in the long run) playing the lottery when the jackpot is big enough.

In statistical terms, the "expected value" of a ticket becomes larger than the cost of the ticket, and the "house odds" go negative.

In the original Texas lottery, for example (before they revamped it recently), the odds against winning the big jackpot in the Lotto were 16 million to one. Whenever the jackpot rose to 16 million, it had reached the "breakeven" point for the players, and above 16 million it was actually a winning proposition to play the lotto. At 32 million you could expect (again, in the long run) to make two dollars for every dollar you bet.

That sounds impossible, but it's not. What's happening is that the losers in the prior small-jackpot drawings are in effect "subsidizing" your play if you play only when the pot is sufficiently large.

That's the simple analysis, but two factors complicate the math slightly.

1. You have to factor in the odds of someone else managing to win the big jackpot the same time you do. I'd have to tally how often this happens on large jackpots for any given lottery in order to work out just how much higher than the "break-even" jackpot you'd have to go before you started playing.

2. Working in the opposite direction is the fact that the big jackpot is not the only prize in the lotto (the above analysis was based only on the big prize). In the long run you'd end up winning a lot of the smaller prizes, and this would have the effect of lowering the jackpot size you'd have to wait for in order to eliminate the "house odds".

So in short, it's not so dumb after all to play only when the jackpots get huge.

304 posted on 01/06/2004 1:07:58 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
When doing your cost/benefit analysis, you also have to take into consideration the time value of money. The $32,000,000 jackpot only pays 1.6 MM a year for 20 years. So you have to compare the odds to the value of an annuity that matches the winnings. Actually, a few years ago, there was some kind of scandal in the Carolinas where a syndicate calculated that if they bought each possible combination they would come out ahead. I can't remember the exact scenario, but they didn't get all the combinations or another player won and they got screwed.
305 posted on 01/06/2004 1:13:34 PM PST by sharkhawk (I want to go to St. Somewhere)
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To: Ichneumon
So in short, it's not so dumb after all to play only when the jackpots get huge.

It's always dumb, it may or may not be less dumb when the pot is bigger.

306 posted on 01/06/2004 1:17:43 PM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: Ichneumon
It also depends on how many tickets are sold. The expected value is also decreased by the probability of multiple jackpot winners.

Using your example - if 32 million tickets were sold for a $16 million jackpot at 16 million to 1 odds, then 2 winning tickets would be expected. The odds of your single ticket winning is the same. But the jackpot is cut in half, reducing the expected value of each ticket by half. Now, if 32 million tickets were bought for a $32 million dollar jackpot, then you would reach statistical "breakeven".

307 posted on 01/06/2004 2:51:29 PM PST by Cooter
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To: sharkhawk
from 1992

Virginia OK’s Australian lottery win

RICHMOND, Va.-An Australian gambling syndicate will carry away a $27 million lottery jackpot from the State of Virginia after buying about 5.5 million $1 tickets, officials said Tuesday.

Lottery director Kenneth Thorson said the ticket is valid, despite questions about whether the enormous Australian purchase violated lottery rules.

In February, agents for the International Lotto Fund of Melbourne, Australia, bought tickets by the million-including the winner-but time ran out before they could corner all 7 million (approximate) possible combinations.

Thorson said the Australians would be given the benefit of any doubt that the ticket was bought in accordance with state lottery regulations.

Rules require that tickets be sold only at a location listed on each retailers’ license, but many of the Australian tickets were paid for by cashiers’ checks at the corporate headquarters of the Farm Fresh grocery store chain.

The $1 tickets were later issued at the retail outlets.

“It was impossible for the lottery, or the claimants, to prove positively how the winning ticket was purchased,” Thorson said.

The winning ticket nets $27,036,142 and the prize will be paid out over 20 years, beginning with $1,348,142 before taxes in the first year and then 19 checks of $1,352,000. There are 2,500 investors in the Australian syndicate.

Thorson said the first check should be issued next week once officials verify the identity of the claimants and determine the amount of income tax.

The state Lottery Board adopted emergency regulations of March 2 to discourage block ticket sales but stopped short of limiting the number of tickets a lottery player can buy.

No regulations existed on block sales when the ticket was bought.

308 posted on 01/06/2004 2:58:07 PM PST by Cooter
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To: Cooter
Looks like you have the makings of a late night infomercial:

"You Too Can Win The Lottery"
309 posted on 01/06/2004 3:12:45 PM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: steveo; HiTech RedNeck
Not in California

I don't know if you have to agree to hold a press conference in CA, but your information is a matter of public record and will be disseminated widely by the news media should you win a big prize.

"As a state agency, the California Lottery is subject to public disclosure laws that allow access to certain governmental records. Your name, the name and location of the retailer who sold the winning ticket, the date you won, and amount of your winnings, including your gross and net annual payments, are matters of public record and subject to disclosure. The Lottery may release additional information if required by legal process or upon your request."

310 posted on 01/06/2004 4:05:51 PM PST by Dont Mention the War
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To: Naspino
I'm not going to defend this woman because I don't lose lottery tickets. I would like to find a winning one though and I don't want anyone to ruin my fantasy of doing that. Think about it -- the odds would have been so good for those 30 people searching the gas station. Much better than 160 million to 1.

Not if there was no ticket to find.

311 posted on 01/06/2004 4:09:47 PM PST by Dont Mention the War
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To: Dont Mention the War
I corrected myself on #57
312 posted on 01/06/2004 4:20:31 PM PST by steveo
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To: Protagoras
It's always dumb, it may or may not be less dumb when the pot is bigger.

Aye. And as a cousin of mine used to say 'I probably won't win if I play, but I definitely won't win without a ticket'.

Or something like that.

313 posted on 01/06/2004 4:29:00 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: HiTech RedNeck
If you lost a 100+ Million Dollar ticket, would you tell the nation that you lost it and where you thought you'd lost it?
314 posted on 01/06/2004 4:33:02 PM PST by gitmo (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Cooter
That's it. I remember they could have not had the winning combination, or if they had to split the prize they would have been screwed. And the prize itself, although listed as $27 mm was actually worth around 10 or 11 million
315 posted on 01/06/2004 4:37:24 PM PST by sharkhawk (I want to go to St. Somewhere)
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To: Naspino
Actually the ticket was never lost.
316 posted on 01/06/2004 4:44:32 PM PST by Tempest
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To: Old Professer
OUCH.
317 posted on 01/06/2004 8:17:12 PM PST by Radioactive
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To: ClintonBeGone
Elecia Battle is a fairly young black woman. Don't let the winner be white or all hell is going to break loose.

Black Black Black! So much for "Sistah-hood"! If it was a white woman she wouldn't need Jesse Jackson marching through town. Whites are so filled with disgusting self-hatred that she probably would have given the ticket to the moron who lost it.

318 posted on 01/06/2004 8:56:22 PM PST by montag813
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To: boxerblues
I have a MegaMillions ticket from Maryland right here in my hand, and on the back it says "This ticket is a bearer instrument. Anyone possessing a winning ticket may claim the prize."

Now I'm checking the MegaMillions ticket from New York, that I just pulled out of the trash, and it doesn't say anything except that "All transactions are subject to New York State Lottery regulations", and lists addresses to request copies of regulations.

I bet the regulations say the ticket is a bearer instrument.

I've never seen a lottery ticket from anywhere that didn't have a space for a signature on the back. If I thought I ever had a chance in hell of winning, I'd sign my tickets in ink as soon as I got them, and bear down real hard with the pen. Then I might have a basis for a lawsuit.
319 posted on 01/06/2004 9:19:59 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
Forgot end of sentence--"Then I might have a basis for a lawsuit if I lost the ticket, it came up a winner, and was turned in by somebody else".
320 posted on 01/06/2004 9:59:20 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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