AP crowns USC (mythical) national champs (Final Poll is out)

espn ^ | 1/5/03 | AP

[Diddle E. Squat]

RANK TEAM RECORD PTS PVS

1. USC (48) 12-1 1,608 1 Last game: Def. Michigan 28-14 (Jan. 1)

2. LSU (17) 13-1 1,576 2 Last game: Def. Oklahoma 21-14 (Jan. 4) Next game: vs. Oklahoma (Jan. 4)

3. Oklahoma 12-2 1,476 3 Last game: Lost to LSU 21-14 (Jan. 4) Next game: vs. LSU (Jan. 4)

4. Ohio State 11-2 1,411 7 Last game: Def. Kansas State 35-28 (Jan. 2)

5. Miami 11-2 1,329 10 Last game: Def. Florida State 16-14 (Jan. 1)

6. Michigan 10-3 1,281 4 Last game: Lost to USC 28-14 (Jan. 1)

7. Georgia 11-3 1,255 11 Last game: Def. Purdue 34-27 (Jan. 1)

8. Iowa 10-3 1,107 13 Last game: Def. Florida 37-17 (Jan. 1)

9. Washington State 10-3 1,060 15 Last game: Def. Texas 28-20 (Dec. 30)

10. Miami (OHIO) 13-1 932 14 Last game: Def. Louisville 49-28 (Dec. 18)

11. Florida State 10-3 905 9 Last game: Lost to Miami 16-14 (Jan. 1)

12. Texas 10-3 887 5 Last game: Lost to Washington State 28-20 (Dec. 30)

13. Mississippi 10-3 845 16 Last game: Def. Oklahoma State 31-28 (Jan. 2)

14. Kansas State 11-4 833 8 Last game: Lost to Ohio State 35-28 (Jan. 2)

15. Tennessee 10-3 695 6 Last game: Lost to Clemson 27-14 (Jan. 2)

16. Boise State 13-1 645 18 Last game: Def. TCU 34-31 (Dec. 23)

17. Maryland 10-3 564 23 Last game: Def. West Virginia 41-7 (Jan. 1)

18. Purdue 9-4 526 12 Last game: Lost to Georgia 34-27 (Jan. 1)

19. Nebraska 10-3 520 22 Last game: Def. Michigan State 17-3 (Dec. 29)

20. Minnesota 10-3 368 24 Last game: Def. Oregon 31-30 (Dec. 31)

21. Utah 10-2 308 25 Last game: Def. Southern Miss 17-0 (Dec. 31)

22. Clemson 9-4 230 NR Last game: Def. Tennessee 27-14 (Jan. 2)

23. Bowling Green 11-3 189 NR Last game: Def. Northwestern 28-24 (Dec. 26)

24. Florida 8-5 165 17 Last game: Lost to Iowa 37-17 (Jan. 1)

25. TCU 11-2 126 19 Last game: Lost to Boise State 34-31 (Dec. 23)

OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES Oklahoma State 109, Arkansas 73, Virginia 36, Northern Illinois 30, Auburn 8, Oregon State 8, Pittsburgh 7, N.C. State 7, West Virginia 4, Connecticut 2.

DROPPED FROM RANKINGS West Virginia 20, Oklahoma State 21.

[AmishDude]

My point in the previous post is that the SI article didn't make RU 1000 look good at all.

[Joe_October]

1869, baby!

Keep it alive and it will come back. Tulane dropped out of the SEC a few years back and there was move this year to get rid of football. There are people who don't like the game.

[Joe_October]

Agreed.

[SoCal Pubbie]

You have the WORST case of myopia I have ever seen. That paragraph is simply a statement of fact, which is not in dispute. The BCS does determine which teams play in certain bowl games, they do rank a one and two, and so on. NOWHERE does this state or imply that the BCS is the ONLY Div 1-A national football championship, nor that the NCAA is connected in any way. In fact, should you follow the steps on my other post, it lists the AP title BEFORE the BCS! Your statement that the NCAA does not recognize the AP title if factually in error.

When are you going to answer the questions in posts 132, 139, and 142? While you're at it, answer this one. When is Alabama going to give back its 1978 AP trophy?

[Joe_October]

myopia=A visual defect in which distant objects appear blurred because their images are focused in front of the retina rather than on it; nearsightedness. Also called short sight.

If you mean, I don't explore, blur, and twist facts to find the conclusion that I want, then I am short sighted.

The BCS was created by the conferences to select a champion.

They did.

Sorry my near sightedness prevents me from seeing anything else.

But, I do know when the rules and rewards are up to interpretation, it diminishes the rules and rewards (like giving the #1 spot to two people or groups). That might qualify for far sighted.

Anything before the beginning of the BCS is what it is. But, when they agreed to a single system, it was done.

I've answer the corrupt writers questions a number of times. It's this simple, if they had picked LSU, would you still fight so strongly?

[Paulus Invictus]

Go Trojans! (Class of 1959 responds to ranking)

[PRND21]

You said "It DID happen."

Bump

[Joe_October]

I absolutely shocked you misinterpreted my statement and slanting it to mean what you prefer (even after I corrected you). Again.

[SoCal Pubbie]

You haven't answered a single one. To say the BCS ranking system is not open to interpretation is the height of comedy. Can you explain the basis each computer poll uses, which computer poll uses strength of schedule and which does not, how many weigh in home versus away games, which use margin of victory and which do not? If the polls aren't open to interpretation, then why aren't all the polls indentical?

Again, since you claim the AP is not real, when will Ohio State and Alabama give back their trophies?

[SoCal Pubbie]

Oh, and when are going to admit you were wrong in stating the NCAA doesn't recognize the AP Championship? Hell, they recognize SC's No. 1 rating LAST year in the Sagarin Poll (part of the BCS!).

[dfwgator]

I think that the two worst teams in D I-A should play in a bowl game in Alaska in the outdoors.

You could pencil SMU in for that one.

[dfwgator]

Will President Bush invite both teams to the White House?

[Joe_October]

The chaos that existed before regarding Ohio State and Alabama was what created the BCS. I see no point in debating what happened in the past.

As far as interpretation. When the end product is simply "This is the Winner", I find it meaningless to interpret. When they said "This team is the winner" did they mean "That team is the winner" or "That other team is the winner" or maybe "This team which we haven't even considered is the winner."

No. I think they're result was quite clear. It's okay if you don't agree with it, it was still very clear. But it really isn't really honest when you say you are interpretting a result by the BCS when you are really just disagreeing.

Will Tennessee give their National Championship back in 1998 because Sagarin (the only method among 19) picked someone else? They could "interpret it that way."

[D Rider]

It's WAZZU; not WaSU.

of course, but in posts I have found people get confused with the correct spelling. You can also spell it Wazoo, if you want to PO somebody, or attend that other school in Moscow. People outside the NW seem to identify Washington State University better that way. Just like using So Cal instead of USC for southerners. Although, I believe that they know which USC we are talking about this year.

[SoCal Pubbie]

"When the end product is simply "This is the Winner", I find it meaningless to interpret"

You'd have loved the elections in Iraq!

[Joe_October]

Since you bring it up, you would have loved President Gore.

[PRND21]

I hope so. ;)

[raptor29]

"I'll continue to state it and you will be unable to effectively deny that the Pac is a wuss, overrated football conference."

In today's column by Stewart Mandel from Sports Illustrated.com:

"I always get a kick out of the perpetual disdain with which SEC fans view the Pac-10. Never mind that of the last SEVEN head-to-head meetings between the two conferences, the Pac-10 has won SIX."

Consider your point 'effectively denied'. Or do you wish to spin this one, too.

[PRND21]

Never mind that of the last SEVEN head-to-head meetings between the two conferences, the Pac-10 has won SIX."

Nice stat!

[SoCal Pubbie]

Unlike you, I recognize reality. Gore is NOT President, but using the analogy of the 2000 presidential election is like saying the California primary was the "only" valid vote. What you cannot admit is that the BSC is NOT an official championship, but a nomination by acclamation. It is no more valid than the AP championship. Why can't you just let both schools enjoy their split championship?