Help Block The Rove Amnesty Plan In Congress, Contact These Congressmen

Pubbie | 1/04/04 | Pubbie

[hedgetrimmer]

What is decided in the Summit of Americas becomes policy in the United States. This country's citizens no longer have a voice in their own government.

We do not have a treaty with any other nation to provide social security to their illegal immigrants. If you know of such a treaty you should post text or links to it. If you know such a treaty exists and you do not make the information available you do a great disservice to Americans.

[Don Joe]

They are economic refugees, and if the difference between feeding your family or not is forging a signature then that's a heck of a lot different from forging any other document for purposes of theft or to avoid prosecution for violent crimes.

Oh good grief. "Economic refugees"? A PC euphemism is a PC euphemism. Why not call them "Undocumented-Americans"? Oh, that's the left's PC euphemism, can't use that, now can we.

I guess the illegals who stole my rowboat, and stole my blueberry crop three years in a row were just "economic refugees" too, eh?

"Economic refugees" my ass. They are illegal aliens, who make a mockery of our country. They have a country of their own. They can either make something of it, or live in squalor if they choose not to make something of it.

Coming here, illegally, to depredate our country, is not an option.

[hedgetrimmer]

The only consistently reliable way of getting your government's ear? Citizens should revoke the charters of the corporations who have usurped the power and authority of the individual. That will definitely get the governments ear and give power back to the citizen, taking it away from international "nonpersons" who should have no say in the government of this country.

[Don Joe]

I separate out those who deal in contraband from those who consume it, which I myself do by the way. There is nothing inherently immoral about consuming cannabis...

Well, if you get busted for possession, and they confiscate your house and your car, I guess you can just plead that you're a "hedonistic refugee", and demand amnesty.

Hell, the way things are going, you might just get it.

[Don Joe]

The current response certainly does not, and granting yet ANOTHER amnesty will only reinforce the idea that if the invaders can just hide out in the U.S. for a few years, they are assured of being eligible for the NEXT amnesty. Rewarding the invaders with an amnesty every few years is certain to attract more of them.

You know what they say about the definition of insanity, about how it's "doing the same thing, but expecting a different outcome"?

Well, President Rove and Knucklehead Ridge have proved it. We, as a nation, are clinically insane.

[Don Joe]

He was being kind. You should be grateful. I'm thinking a lot harsher language than he used.

[hedgetrimmer]

In the summit of the Americas in 1998 it was determined that illegals (they call them migrants) should have social security from the country they invade (US).

Here is the text of the directive:
Government should:
4) encourage the negotiation of bilateral or multilateral agreements, regarding the remission of social security benefits accrued by migrant workers

[Don Joe]

Another amnesty IS surrender of our national sovereignty!

Bingo!

[Cultural Jihad]

If someone stole your boat then prosecute them for that. To claim that "those people are all thieves because one of them stole from me," it is not rooted in American justice or Christian charity. Such an attitude is really tribal justice, which is a foreign and unAmerican concept we neither need nor want.

[Don Joe]

Indeed. I heard that Mexico now ranks 7th in the world in trade. Clearly too many of her citizens are not deriving much benefit from it.

Gee, ya think?

The problem is pretty simple. The aristocrats don't play well with others. They view their underclass as a nuisance, so, they use those that they can use, and they shove the rest of 'em across the border, and let 'em be our headache.

It's not exactly rocket science, after all.

[Cultural Jihad]

Your post was aggregious in its advocacy of violence. Please take it elsewhere.

[Don Joe]

What effort are we making to keep Americans from entering Mexico illegally?

Probably about the same degree of effort that West Germany made to keep its citizens from entering East Germany illegally.

LMAO!

This is just plain silly. You don't make an "effort" to deal with a problem that doesn't exist. I don't know of too many Americans who spend their days and fortunes scheming for a way to sneak into Mexico.

[Don Joe]

If someone stole your boat then prosecute them for that.

You're a funny guy. Get back with me when you visit the real world, OK? Then I can arrange for you to explain the above to the police, who know that the illegals stole it, but are powerless to do anything about it.

The rest of your post, being as it is bleeding heart liberal boilerplate, will not be quoted, or addressed.

[Don Joe]

Your post was aggregious in its advocacy of violence. Please take it elsewhere.

Since you succeeded in having it deleted, I cannot defend it, since I have no idea which post it was. However, I do stand by it, as I do all my words.

I suggest that if what I say upsets your liberal sensitivities so much, you cease reading what I say.

In fact, I'm directing you now to cease posting to me. Since FR will enforce such directives, I suggest you take my direction seriously.

Do NOT speak to me again. PERIOD.

[Don Joe]

Ah, I think I've figured it out. The jihadist had my post deleted, in which I suggested that we have the US Military stand guard on the border, prepared to M.....G.. (hideous words obfuscated) and invaders.

How pathetic.

[Luis Gonzalez]

My point was that it is incumbent upon the country whose laws are being broken to take the appropriate corrective measures. Most FReepers are constantly complaining that the Mexican government is doing very little to stop its citizens from entering the U.S. illegally. Well, that's because entering the U.S. illegally is not against the law in Mexico.

[Clintonfatigued]

I wouldn't rule out a Congressional bogging down. Both parties are divided on immigration issues, and there is no clear concensus in the Republican or 'Rat caucuses. That gives the possibility, if not probability, of multiple proposals floating around with none of them able to muster majority support. If that happens, Bush can tell the voters he's pandering to, "Well, I tried", and win them over that way.

[Don Joe]

My point was that it is incumbent upon the country whose laws are being broken to take the appropriate corrective measures. Most FReepers are constantly complaining that the Mexican government is doing very little to stop its citizens from entering the U.S. illegally. Well, that's because entering the U.S. illegally is not against the law in Mexico.

Well, it's a strawman argument if you try to apply it to me, because I fully realize the problem with Mexico's laws and policies. Far from being illegal for their underclass to enter the US illegally, it's actually encouraged. There are Mexican government programs designed to encourage members of their unwanted underclass to come here; they even show them how to gain illegal entry to the US.

Now that the gavel has dropped on this travesty (courtesy of Our Glorious Leader's speech today), we should all brace for the next shoe. (pardon the mixed metaphor)

Once the "guest worker" insanity is cast into law, the next step will be for the "guest workers" to be granted "disadvanted minority" status, with all that bring. In other words, hiring preferences, special "programs", "incentives", and "entitlements."

You heard it here first.

[Don Joe]

I wouldn't rule out a Congressional bogging down.

I would.

These are the same so-and-so's, who, after having explained to them exactly what they'd be doing if they passed it -- and acknowledging that they understood -- went ahead anyway, and signed a pro-spam bill into law. They even had the chutzpah to insist that it's an anti-spam law. In reality, it legitimizes spam, and gives it legal protection.

Why did they do that?

Follow the money.

Same thing here, but with the volume cranked up an order of magnitude higher.

If that happens, Bush can tell the voters he's pandering to, "Well, I tried", and win them over that way.

Fade to Charlie Brown dreaming about the Red-Haired girl, musing to himself something about, "...and wouldn't that be nice."

Reality dose: we're getting an illegal alien amnesty -- an ongoing amnesty this time, with a three year "re-up" privilege. We're also getting a renewal of the AWB.

What we're not getting, I suspect, is a two-term presidency for Bush. He's kissed off his base, and NWIH is he gonna get the "hispanic vote". The dems are already categorizing today's abomination as "a good first step", and demanding much more -- and, you can bet your bottom dollar they'll be promising much more, to the selected constituencies.