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1 posted on 01/03/2004 3:23:51 PM PST by Holly_P
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To: msdrby
ping
7 posted on 01/03/2004 3:51:45 PM PST by Professional Engineer (3JAN ~ I SAW my unborn child move this morning!!)
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To: Holly_P
I prefer Dari

12 posted on 01/03/2004 4:37:43 PM PST by klute
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To: Holly_P; Archangelsk
The problem is in peacetime the military cuts the hell out of this program. Generals who majored in football in college see it as a frill. Then they find themselves in command of a task force in Wayoutistan and all they have is local interpreters, all of whom come with an agenda that, whatever it is, isn't American.

At this point General Tailback starts screaming for GI linguists, only to find the Army doesn't have any. Or he gets one, so that he can get his restaurant menus translated, but the MPs at the gate of the base and the SF teams out in the boonies have to rely on local hires.

They never learn. After 1989, they very quickly dismantled an excellent series of programs in Eastern European languages. In the late nineties, those nations joined NATO or Partnership for Peace and we had linguistic problems again.

Then, the military takes the graduates and in many cases assigns them to duties that have little bearing on their language skill. A foreign language is a skill that erodes quickly if not maintained. Some leaders think that when their linguists are reading foreign-language papers or magazines, or watching a foreign movie, they are "wasting time" and they'd rather see them in the motor pool packing wheel bearings -- real soldier's work. So the retention of linguists is probably the lowest of any speciality in the military, even though they have some of the longest training (over a year, minimum) and to pass the school need to have high test scores.

There is no royal road to foreign language skills. Especially in a society like ours that does not value foreign languages and that has mostly purged them from the public schools. You need a long and intensive course like this, or total immersion in the language for many months, or both.

And then, because things change, unless you train a wide range of language skills, and not just those that are involved in the immediate crisis, you still risk having the wrong linguists.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

13 posted on 01/03/2004 4:44:21 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F (DLI '80)
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To: Holly_P
I've been to DLI a few times and been trained in other languages. I highly recommend it as a career path and as horizon broadening experience.

Milestones of language study.

- Dreaming in a foriegn language, with better vocab and grammar than I had when I was awake.

- Listening to someone speak in another language not realizing that it's wasn't English until they switched back to English.

- Answering a question reflexively in target language and then being amazed at what came out your mouth.

That doesn't even get into the joys of travelling in a country where almost no foriegners speak the local language. (Or some of the more interesting job related uses)

16 posted on 01/03/2004 5:08:03 PM PST by Steel Wolf ("Ah, this is obviously some strange usage of the word 'safe' that I wasn't previously aware of.")
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To: Holly_P
Really (*&^&(* brilliant of this reporter to splash the name & rank of Special Intel people.

It wasn't long ago that those that did asinine things like this were found floating up on the beach after the crabs had dinner for a few days.

The reporter has just put a price tag on those that were named in this article.

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24 posted on 01/03/2004 5:56:33 PM PST by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: Holly_P
Hmmmmm...
26 posted on 01/03/2004 6:45:39 PM PST by happygrl
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To: Holly_P
Been there, done that, would do it again if I could. Thanks for the post.
27 posted on 01/03/2004 7:06:17 PM PST by msdrby (US Veterans: All give some, but some give all.)
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Ping
30 posted on 01/03/2004 10:07:41 PM PST by Utah Girl
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To: Holly_P
I can't understand why the military hasn't done two things.

1. Each person that joins the military should be required to learn to speak at least two languages. Each squad should have a variety of languages that can be spoken.

2. Why on earth hasn't the military perfected babelfish? It seems that it would be alot cheaper for the military to issue a small recorder device that can determine what language is being spoken and translate to English and back to the foreign language.
31 posted on 01/04/2004 7:25:08 AM PST by ODDITHER
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