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Egypt Airliner CRASHED in Egypt - A final update on root cause analysis? Technical Fault Blamed
Various | 1/3/2004 | ME

Posted on 01/03/2004 4:50:17 AM PST by Gorons

Egypt Plane Crash Kills 148; Technical Fault Blamed

By Ruben Sprich Reuters Saturday, January 3, 2004; 7:15 AM

SHARM EL-SHEIKH, Egypt (Reuters) - An Egyptian Boeing 737 airliner carrying 135 mostly French tourists crashed into the Red Sea off the Egyptian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh on Saturday and a rescue team member said there were no survivors.

"The initial indications are that it was a technical fault, but that is only preliminary," Civil Aviation Ministry Secretary-General Hassan Abo Ghanima told Reuters. He had said earlier: "There is no sign of terrorism."

The plane, operated by the Egyptian company Flash Airlines, disappeared from radar screens minutes after take-off from Sharm el-Sheikh airport at 0244 GMT and crashed into deep water a few miles to the southeast, official sources said.

The pilots did not report any problem and the weather was normal with good visibility, official sources said. The plane was heading for Cairo to refuel, change crew and take on more passengers before flying on to Paris.

A French diplomat based in Egypt said there were 135 passengers aboard, all but one French, and 13 Egyptian and Moroccan crew members.

The crash coincided with intense U.S. concern about possible attacks involving civilian airliners, which has led to the cancellation of seven U.S.-bound flights in just over a week.

Egyptian military aircraft and ships, helped by small boats from nearby diving centers, launched a rescue operation at first light. Eyewitnesses said they were finding pieces of human bodies but no complete corpses and no survivors.

"We have half of a body here, half a body there. But we don't have any body in one piece," said a rescue worker, speaking by telephone from one of the boats.

"There's lots of personal stuff, small bags and toys. We have collected very small pieces of the plane but the body of the plane has sunk," said another rescue worker, who asked not to be named.

Yasser Imam, a spokesman for the local authorities, said: "What they have picked up so far is just fragments of bodies. The chances of finding complete bodies look slim because of the force with which the plane hit the surface of the water."

DEEP WATER

The plane crashed in the Strait of Tiran, between the Sinai peninsula and Saudi Arabia, where the water is hundreds of meters (feet) deep -- too deep for divers to reach the flight recording devices, diving school managers said.

French President Jacques Chirac telephoned his Egyptian counterpart Hosni Mubarak to obtain details of the crash and expressed his "deepest shock" at the tragedy, his office said.

Eyewitnesses in Sharm el-Sheikh said the rescue operation was concentrating on an area about half a mile off Naama Bay, the site of many large hotels.

An Egyptian armed forces C-130 transport plane and two helicopters were taking part in the search, witnesses said.

Flash Airlines is an Egyptian charter airline company based in Cairo and flying to European cities. It flew two Boeing 737-300 planes manufactured in 1993, according to its Web site.

The plane was maintained regularly in Norway and there was no sign of any mechanical fault before its last flight, the official Egyptian news agency MENA reported.

French Transport Minister Gilles de Robien went to Charles de Gaulle airport, where distraught friends and relatives of passengers on the flight were being told of the crash.

An eyewitness speaking on Egyptian television said people heard a loud noise at the time of the crash but he interpreted this as the sound of the plane hitting the water. "In the morning we were surprised by a kind of slapping noise in the sea, a very loud noise," said the unidentified witness.

Sharm el-Sheikh, a major diving resort, is considered one of the most secure places in Egypt because of its isolation and Mubarak's frequent presence. Police man checkpoints on the only paved roads into the resort and check travelers' identities.

The last major crash by an Egyptian plane took place in May 2002, when a Boeing 767 of the state airline EgyptAir crashed near Tunis airport, killing 15 people.

In October 1999, an EgyptAir Boeing 767 dived into the sea off Nantucket, Massachusetts, killing all 217 people on board.

On Christmas Day, a Beirut-bound Boeing 727 smashed into the Atlantic after take-off from Benin, killing 138 people.

© 2004 Reuters


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News
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To: Gorons
The crash occured at 4:44 AM German time. It did not show up on any German sites I was monitoring until 8:30 AM. I read about here on FR long before I saw it on a German site.

Does any one know if that is SOP?

Didn't the first reports say there was no indication from the plane that there was a problem?

longjack

41 posted on 01/03/2004 5:31:19 AM PST by longjack
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To: _Jim
ALL products of an over-active imagination fueled by a never-ending litany of conspiracy theories

OK, 'single bullet/Vince died in the park- _Jim'.

42 posted on 01/03/2004 5:31:23 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: Gorons
"There is no sign of terrorism."

Other than a crashed plane....
43 posted on 01/03/2004 5:32:22 AM PST by Tycobb
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To: longjack
someone even mentioned the weather.... but there wasn't any.
45 posted on 01/03/2004 5:33:02 AM PST by GeronL (The French just can't stop being French.)
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To: GeronL
A few years ago, Egyptian Jihadists opened fire on German tourists south of Cairo.(The name of the city escapes me)They killed 50+ people. It was right around the time Egyptair 990 crashed into the sea. There is speculation that it was a suicide act of the first officer, in the name of Jihad. Its sounds like Mr Mubarek had better be careful; he could wind up bleeding untidily like his predecessor, Sadat.
46 posted on 01/03/2004 5:34:04 AM PST by cardinal4 (Hillary and Clark rhymes with Ft Marcy park...)
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To: thesummerwind
NOW, it is over a full hour that FoxNews hasn't even mentioned this crash.

IT'S been mentioned on Fox - it's been documented here - IT'S ALL OVER GOOGLE NEWS:

news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&q=egypt+airliner&sa=N&tab=wn

WHAT are you looking for anyway - personal reassurance via a phonce call from Prez Bush on this?

Geesh.

47 posted on 01/03/2004 5:34:27 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: Quilla
It was an exploding guy in the wheel well....
48 posted on 01/03/2004 5:35:01 AM PST by alloysteel
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To: GeronL
of course it tried to turn around, it was supposed to turn around to head to Cairo


Bei dem Versuch, zum Flughafen Scharm el Scheich zurückzukehren,

"in the attempt to return to the airport at Scharm el Scheich"

longjack

49 posted on 01/03/2004 5:35:10 AM PST by longjack
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To: seamole
The flight had a problem on takeoff and tried to turn back when it crashed, Bussereau said during a press conference at Charles de Gaulle airport

First I heard of this.

50 posted on 01/03/2004 5:35:11 AM PST by GeronL (The French just can't stop being French.)
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To: _Jim
But how can they know? Ruling out terrorism within moments of the crash seems to prematurely, yet completely, remove the 'theory' from the investigation.
51 posted on 01/03/2004 5:35:39 AM PST by Quilla
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To: GeronL
FoxNews still not mentioning this CRASH. It's been over an hour and 15 minutes. I find this totally incredible (not)!

This kind of (non)coverage is exactly what happened before when governments were getting their non-terror stories together. It's terrorism as sure as Vince did not die in the park.

52 posted on 01/03/2004 5:36:09 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: GeronL
sounds like a bomb.

Not really. A bomb would turn the closest bodies into mist and the farthest into shrapnel bags.

A buddy of mine on the San Deigo FD told me that when the SouthWest 727 crashed in 79, the largest body part he saw was a 1/4 torso.

Seems that a heavy, upon impact of a crash, turns into a giant mixer.

53 posted on 01/03/2004 5:36:32 AM PST by greydog
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To: thesummerwind
'single bullet/Vince died in the park ..<

Bzzt!

WRONG!

(I have never commented on 'Vince in the park' goofball!)

Is this your tactic in debate - smearing someone?

PULL your weight for once and PRODUCE some relevant content on this subject ...

54 posted on 01/03/2004 5:36:45 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: longjack
"in the attempt to return to the airport at Scharm el Scheich"

There isn't any indication in any other report, so far, that they tried to return to the same airport.

55 posted on 01/03/2004 5:36:50 AM PST by GeronL (The French just can't stop being French.)
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To: Tycobb
Other than a crashed plane....

SO, ALL accidents, ALL failures of mechanical devices, and ANY human error is NOW attributable to 'terrorism'?

ONLY in your dreams perhaps ...

56 posted on 01/03/2004 5:38:23 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: _Jim
ALL products of an over-active imagination fueled by a never-ending litany of conspiracy theories offered up on the slimmest of 'evidence' and un-linked factors ...

Two facts already discredit the official explanation: One, "not terrorism" was the official line from the moment the crash occurred. Second, false reports of "heavy fog" (which the plane would have been well above 7 miles out even if there was any) were planted in the media, and immediately discovered to contradict local weather reports.

France recently and famously banned headscarves in schools. There are now large protests against this policy in several cities in Moslem countries. And Tony Blair is or recently was vacationing near the crash site.

57 posted on 01/03/2004 5:39:01 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: Quilla
But how can they know? Ruling out terrorism within moments ..

Look - even *they* can't completely rule out terrorism, or sabotage, or equipment failure or ????

58 posted on 01/03/2004 5:40:03 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: eno_
SEE my reply #58
59 posted on 01/03/2004 5:40:53 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: GeronL
There isn't any indication in any other report, so far, that they tried to return to the same airport.

That's why I posted it. "Die Welt" is a major newspaper.

I'm just translating the article. It doesn't necessarily mean that I'm convinced what they're saying is accurate.

longjack

60 posted on 01/03/2004 5:41:30 AM PST by longjack
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