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'Crikey,' Steve Irwin's baby in croc shocker -
Herald Sun - Australia ^ | January 3, 2003 | Christine Caulfield

Posted on 01/02/2004 11:49:58 AM PST by UnklGene

'Crikey,' Steve Irwin's baby in a croc shocker -

Christine Caulfield - 03jan04

STEVE Irwin sparked outrage yesterday when he held his baby son a metre from the mouth of a crocodile at his Queensland zoo.

Child advocates branded the Crocodile Hunter reckless for holding one-month-old Bob while feeding the giant crocodile a dead chicken. Wife Terri looked on as Irwin then "walked" Bob to the crocodile pool at his Sunshine Coast wildlife park as the 4m reptile, named Murray, lurked nearby.

Irwin defended the stunt, saying the baby was never in danger.

"This kid has to grow up to be croc savvy," he told the Herald Sun.

"I guess what I am doing is teaching him to be completely familiar with crocodiles . . . There's no way known I would ever endanger my child."

But Irwin -- recently named Queenslander of the year -- now faces possible investigation by Queensland police, the Department of Families, and workplace safety officers.

The stunt was slammed by child support groups and likened to the furore caused by pop star Michael Jackson when he dangled his newborn baby over a balcony at a hotel in Germany in 2002.

Childhood Foundation chief Joe Tucci described Irwin's actions as outrageous.

"It's neglect, it's reckless, it's a form of endangerment," he said.

"I don't think we should use children as props, and definitely not in situations that are going to put them in such danger."

Mr Tucci said Irwin could faces criminal charges if he continued to put his baby in harm's way.

"He wasn't thinking about the risks to his child. Children need adults to protect them. They should not be involved in any kind of entertainment that puts them at risk," he said.

"Kids under five are unpredictable. It's only one small slip away from a bad accident. He can make his own choices, but his child can't."

Australian Family Association spokesman Bill Muehlenberg said Irwin's conduct was tantamount to child abuse.

Mr Muehlenberg said Irwin had no right to put his baby in peril.

"Most parents would cringe at the sight of such things. One slip, one fall and he is the crocodile's lunch," he said.

Yesterday's show, for the public and the media, was billed as Bob's "croc-feeding debut".

"Good boy, Bob," Irwin said as Murray's jaws snapped shut on the food.

"He's one month old, so it's about time Bob got out there and did his first croc demo," Irwin told the excited crowd.

Irwin later told the Herald Sun: "If I had known it was going to cause a ruckus I would have thrown them (the media) out by their ears.

"I was in complete control of the crocodile. Robert was tucked right in my arm. It is far more dangerous to pack your kid up and go out on the road."

Irwin's wife Terri backed Bob's place in the show.

"When I put him back in the pram he had big eyes and he was smiling and it was a wonderful sensory experience for him. He dug it," she said.

Queensland Families Minister Judy Spence said she would request the unedited video tapes of the incident.

"I have seen the television footage and while I have no doubt the Irwins love their children very much, I believe it was an error of judgment to place a baby in a potentially dangerous situation," Ms Spence said.

"The department is interested in examining all of the information including a copy of the unedited video and the safety precautions and protocols Mr Irwin was following."

Queensland Police confirmed last night they had received complaints from the public about the incident.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: crocodile; zoo
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To: what's up
"if there's anyone's arms I'd want to be in if I was a few feet from a croc, it's Irwin's."

Same here.

41 posted on 01/02/2004 1:19:26 PM PST by sweetliberty (Controlling the ACLU by feeding it our liberties is like controlling sharks by chumming the waters)
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To: Callahan
"I don't think we should be encouraging people to use their infants as publicity props"

I don't either, but I think the differnce here is that at the zoo, feeding the animals is part of the children's daily experience. If they only participated for the cameras I might be inclined to agree. According to the bio on the Crocodile Hunter website, his daughter was a part of that life from day 1.

42 posted on 01/02/2004 1:23:07 PM PST by sweetliberty (Controlling the ACLU by feeding it our liberties is like controlling sharks by chumming the waters)
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To: sweetliberty
I know what you mean, I can't stand people who complain about the government telling them what to do and then in the next breath are complaining because the government ISN'T interfering in someone else's life.

I am a big fan of Steve and Terry Irwin and considering that they live at and run a zoo, I don't find the incident surprising at all and see nothing wrong with it. They are animal experts and if they feel its safe for their child, that's their decision to make. I don't know why people are so quick to judge people on how they raise their children.
43 posted on 01/02/2004 1:38:25 PM PST by dion
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To: what's up
No, he's not a conservative. He's a raving environmental looney, continually going on about all the endangered species. This little trick was stupid. A croc doesn't know the difference between a chicken and a baby.
44 posted on 01/02/2004 1:45:15 PM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrack of news.)
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To: what's up
I think Roy thought he was pretty safe around that tiger, too. :)
45 posted on 01/02/2004 1:47:28 PM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrack of news.)
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To: UnklGene
From what I know of Irwin, his dad raised him more or less the same way.
46 posted on 01/02/2004 1:49:51 PM PST by squidly (Although prepared for martyrdom, I prefer that it be postponed.)
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To: UnklGene
Crikey, Dad. They're going to start calling me
"shish-ka-'Bob'."
47 posted on 01/02/2004 2:21:38 PM PST by UnklGene
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To: UnklGene
Heck, Steve & Bob just thought it was Take Your Kid to Work Day in Aussieland.

48 posted on 01/02/2004 3:09:08 PM PST by elli1
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To: JoeSchem
Or, it could be because he dangled his newborn baby IN FRONT OF A CROCODILE!!!!!!!

In the video I saw of this incident, I didn't see Steve dangle his newborn baby in front of a crocodile.

49 posted on 01/02/2004 3:19:24 PM PST by usadave
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To: UnklGene
I was shocked- shocked I tell you- that this tiny baby's name is Bob. I mean, no offense to the "Bobs" out there, but Bob is just not a name for a tiny baby. He should start as a Bobby or Robby before moving to Bob in his late teens, early twenties.
50 posted on 01/02/2004 8:46:55 PM PST by admiralsn (It was about the troops, stupid!)
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To: UnklGene
let's see: 2 bear experts got killed by bears, a wolf lover was killed by wolves, and a tiger expert was attacked by a tiger, all in the past year. i guess the crocs are smarter and know not to attack irwin or his baby.
reptiles are not too bright and they will go after whatever looks like food. irwin will probably eventually get killed by a croc.
51 posted on 01/02/2004 10:18:51 PM PST by drhogan
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To: LS
continually going on about all the endangered species

What's wrong with caring about endangered species? Caring about the environment does not make one a leftist.

52 posted on 01/02/2004 10:51:34 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: what's up
I think we should all stand back and get the real point here...Steve wants his son to be without fear...and its his parental right to do so. The picture probably shouldn't have been published...but it happened. As for being kid in todays world...I would pick Steve Irwin over just about anyone to be my dad. And I would have no doubt that dad kill any croc within three seconds, who threaten my life. Considering the state of teenagers in today's society...we need more Steve Irwins in this world.
53 posted on 01/02/2004 11:00:10 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: drhogan; All
let's see: 2 bear experts got killed by bears, a wolf lover was killed by wolves, and a tiger expert was attacked by a tiger, all in the past year.

...and more people and their kids are killed by the family dog, year in and year out. Shall we arrest people for child abuse for owning a large dog? Or even a small one, since a Pomeranian recently killed a 6-month old todder?

Here's what I know: Steve Irwin knows far more about crocodiles than any of the people who are "horrified" by what he did. If he thought it was safe enough for his own child, I'll take his opinion over any of the ninnies who are falling over in a faint going, "but it was a wild animal, eek!"

That "wild animal" is one that has been hand-fed and socialized to humans for years and years, and Irwin knows it well. And I'm sure he chose the most predictable croc he owns for this event, just as any parent would.

The same people who are freaking out over having the kid at a crocodile feeding probably think nothing of walking their own kids along a busy street, which is a more dangerous act.

54 posted on 01/02/2004 11:02:47 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: najida
There is also the issue that the croc may not have been that hungry (looks kinda pudgy to me). And he maybe a very sluggish mover.

Yeah, they're slow on land I think. I see worse all the time. I hate it when I'm around someone with a baby and they start doing the throwing-them-up-in-the-air-and-catching-them routine. I don't equate the level of danger involved with that stunt with the few seconds of thrill.

55 posted on 01/02/2004 11:16:49 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: drhogan
let's see: 2 bear experts got killed by bears, a wolf lover was killed by wolves, and a tiger expert was attacked by a tiger, all in the past year. i guess the crocs are smarter and know not to attack irwin or his baby. reptiles are not too bright and they will go after whatever looks like food. irwin will probably eventually get killed by a croc.

I think the difference is that those who were killed and maimed trusted the animals they were killed and maimed by, whereas Irwin doesn't go around hugging his crocs.

56 posted on 01/02/2004 11:20:43 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: UnklGene
This thread demonstrates a clear dividing line between men and woman.

The odds of the child being hurt were astronomical. We all know, as Steve said, the child is in more danger when he is placed in a car headed for the highway.

I wouldn't feed a croc with my one month old in my arms, but I am not Steve Irwin. We conservatives have to avoid letting our emotions think for us.

Steve Irwin is one of the toughest guys around, and I bet his son Bob will chew nails someday too.
57 posted on 01/02/2004 11:29:05 PM PST by bondserv (Alignment is critical.)
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To: Ichneumon
The same people who are freaking out over having the kid at a crocodile feeding probably think nothing of walking their own kids along a busy street, which is a more dangerous act.

I saw this on the news earlier and they actually SAID he dangled the baby in front of the croc! How ridiculous!

Yes, an accident could have happened. But the odds are low. It didn't bother me much to watch the footage. It bothers me much more that he named his daughter after a croc!

58 posted on 01/02/2004 11:38:58 PM PST by Dianna
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To: Prodigal Son
First, all species are "endangered." If you believe in "mother nature," then "mother knows best," and probably these species were supposed to die out. Humans were merely the "tool" by which "mother nature" uses to eliminate them.

But if you believe in the Bible, man has dominion over these animals, and obviously thousands/millions of species have already passed without any apparent harm to us or the planet. Name, for example, one single animal species that we absolutely cannot do without.

The point is not to wantonly go out and kill kangaroo rats for the hell of it; but if one gets in my way when I'm plowing a field to feed people, you can damn sure bet I'm not following any government order to protect his little nest.

59 posted on 01/03/2004 5:47:56 AM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrack of news.)
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To: Vicki
He said he had complete control of the croc. No one ever has complete control over an animal.

I think Roy of Seigfried and Roy proved that point.

60 posted on 01/03/2004 5:50:35 AM PST by veronica (Monterey County Film Commission Screenwriting Contest /ATTN:FR writers/FReepmail me)
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