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Why They Fear Us
The Rational Argumentator ^ | December 26, 2003 | Henry Emrich

Posted on 12/30/2003 10:29:35 AM PST by G. Stolyarov II

One of the most vexing problems that I have encountered in my experiences with Objectivism, is the fact that many people seem deathly afraid of our viewpoint – EVEN people with whom we should have most in common. They just don't seem to be able to understand it, even if we explain it patiently and calmly. Everything we say gets systematically distorted into something horrible. This used to bother me quite a lot, and still does to some degree. But I have come to a conclusion after a VERY long time thinking about it:

When people misunderstand what Objectivism is, and the things for which we stand, many of them are simply ignorant, NOT willfully antagonistic.

Take, for example, a situation that will doubtless be VERY common to most Objectivists: the issue of religion, and atheism. Whenever I would make statements to the effect that I didn't (and still don't), believe the Judeo-Christian mythology, everybody would go into emotional meltdown: their powers of reason would mysteriously disappear.

You can't really blame them, however. Most "Believers" (in whatever religion), simply don't understand, or think about, their religion very deeply. They are "religious" enough that atheism makes them nervous, but actually have very little understanding of the Bible, Koran, or whatever "holy book" they believe.

Most people don't really understand what Christianity means by "God". They have no idea that the concept makes no sense, as their religion teaches it. To them, "God" is somewhere between Santa Claus and Uncle Sam – a benevolent, strong, heroic Father figure "in the sky". Most of them have only a vague notion of heaven, and no interest in hell whatsoever.

When confronted with the works of Thomas Paine, Robert G. Ingersoll, or Ayn Rand, they honestly do not understand how those critiques of religion could apply to them. And can you REALLY blame them? After all, as we all know, most of the Christian Clergy THEMSELVES don't know half of how bloody and evil parts of the Bible are.

Most "Christians" in this country (and others) couldn't care less about the bible. The only parts of it they know halfway clearly are the "Christmas story", and the Easter thing. They understand the "ten commandments" in a very rudimentary, common sense way. They don't CARE that the "thou shalt not steal" thing is an injunction against stealing your neighbor's SLAVE. Most people honestly have no idea what the bible actually says, or what Christianity actually teaches.

They get terrified by "secular humanism" or "Godless atheists" because pretty much the only exposure to such things has been from socialists, communists, and suchlike. Hell, how do you think the destroyers of the United States were able to hoodwink people into putting "Under god" in the pledge of allegiance, in the first place? The sales-pitch was to make us different from the "Godless Commies". In the popular mind (controlled and shaped as it is by the "activists" and their social agendas), the concepts of Communism and Atheism were skillfully and secretly blended, so that the Common man can no longer tell one from the other.

This is part of what makes Conservatives useless, as I said. Most of them have no idea what their Bible teaches; nor will they listen. More often than not, when they DO find out, they get every bit as disgusted as we do, and worse: you ever wonder where all those preachy "born-again atheist" sites come from?

Same thing with capitalism: what most people in this culture mistakenly think of as capitalism is the lukewarm, state-entangled version: government-backed monopolies, licensing, franchises, tariffs, etc. Most of these people have never tried (as I have), to start a business, or create their own wealth. They've all bought into the mediocrity-mentality that says the only way to make it is as somebody else's "employee". The Entrepreneurial spirit is mostly dead in them, and they see "their jobs" as nothing more than a means to continue subsisting at the same mediocre level.

Reason? Too hard. Easier to watch TV, and give a half-hearted appearance of a religion you don't understand, every Sunday.

Purpose? Work, sleep, watch TV, breed the next generation of slaves, and die in a pool of your own urine.

They haven't learned any better. The government-controlled schools specialize in killing off every trace of the heroic impulse. Generations of potential Howard Roarks are systematically processed into docile, conformist Keatings, by schools, families, and 'peer pressure'.

But ask yourself: having never had self-made goals, how can they be expected to be creatures of "self-made soul?"

It's actually rather heartbreaking, to consider the masses of living zombies lock-stepping through life, their only goal to keep up with the Joneses, afraid to stand taller than the crowd because "what will the neighbors think." It's horrifying.

These poor fools equate "Altruism" with goodheartedness, human warmth, and private charity. They've probably never read Comte, Bismarck, Hegel, or Marx, and barely even heard their names.

So what's the answer?

PATIENCE. Those of us who know a better way MUST stand for it, and MUST reach out to them. Otherwise, this entire world is as good as dead.

So "professional philosophers" don't take Objectivism or Rand very seriously? Screw 'em. It's not ABOUT winning over Academia, in the long run. It's about reclaiming the Human Spirit from its destroyers, and getting people do understand that they DO have a right to exist, and they DO have a right to resist their Masters. We are a slave rebellion, friends: an "Underground railroad" of the Human Spirit.

Academia is a joke. Most so-called "philosophers" have deteriorated into gibbering wordplay, or convinced themselves they don't even exist. To think we're actually going to make headway there is wishful thinking at least, and suicidal at most.

The philosophical gangrene set in several centuries ago. We must ask ourselves: do we have 200 years to wait? Can we afford to let the wheels of history turn, and hope against all evidence that that the inhabitants of that time will still even be recognizably human in spirit and mind?

No. We don't have the time for that.

Even a cursory examination of history will reveal a pivotal fact; namely, that "paradigm shifts" – massive changes of gestalt thinking NEVER originate from WITHIN the old paradigm. In other words, history supports Miss Rand's premise that the "Mavericks" – the Roarks and Galts of the world – are the Atlas's who make the world turn.

So do not despair, friends. We must take up the torch, fight for all that is good and genuine and beautiful and true, and NEVER submit. "Second Renaissance" is eminently appropriate for an Objectivist bookstore's name, but it is ALSO – MUST be – our credo.

WE, and those of like mind, must be the heralds of a "new birth of freedom".

There's no other choice.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: altruism; aynrand; bible; bigotry; clergy; egoism; ignorance; objectivism; rand; reason; religion; routine; tradition; verbosity
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To: sauropod
Here, here...

While I do find some self-proclaimed "Christans" who are pretty ignorant of why they are Christians other than it makes them feel "good", REAL Christians are people who used to be just like the author here - believing in only the here and now, only in what we can see with our own eyes. Sooner or later, you've GOT to have some questions answered. Why are we here? How did this REALLY all come to be? (the scientific THEORIES we all have been taught as truth really don't hold up when you get serious about it)
Forgive my 'hate-speech' but if you search sincerely, you'll find that God is real. Well, I've been thrown off of boards before for saying this...
I just find it amazing that some people can put so much time and energy to try to PROVE there is NO God (proving that something DOESN'T exist...) when His creation smacks you in the face every morning you wake up.
21 posted on 12/30/2003 10:47:37 AM PST by JustPlainJoe
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To: G. Stolyarov II
This is Exhibit A for why Objectivist dogma cannot be taken seriously:

Most people don't really understand what Christianity means by "God". They have no idea that the concept makes no sense, as their religion teaches it. To them, "God" is somewhere between Santa Claus and Uncle Sam – a benevolent, strong, heroic Father figure "in the sky". Most of them have only a vague notion of heaven, and no interest in hell whatsoever.

First thing revealed is that the author of this piece doesn't have the slightest concept of God. By the inference it is also clear that the author isn't interested in finding out what that concept really is as much as he is interested in debunking it. Lastly it reveals Objectivism to be fundamentally nihilist and that 'rationalism' as they call it is really 'rationalization'. Objectivist dogma holds atheism as an unchallengable and undebatable truth, which completely undermines every stated purpose of the very existence of Objectivism.

I'll spare the psychological profiling of the type of person who needs to misplace his faith into Objectivism, other than to note it is not pretty.

22 posted on 12/30/2003 10:47:40 AM PST by thoughtomator ("I will do whatever the Americans want because I saw what happened in Iraq, and I was afraid"-Qadafi)
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To: G. Stolyarov II
This is Huge! Series!!
23 posted on 12/30/2003 10:48:04 AM PST by BushCountry (To the last, I will grapple with Democrats. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at Liberals.)
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To: eastsider
Must one be a GLBT to be feared or stigmatized? I think not. What of the countless Renaissance scientists labelled heretics by medieval theocracy and the Inquisition? What of the persecution of Christians themselves during the time of the Roman Empire? Objectivists find themselves in less threatening conditions, but are still often viewed as demonic menaces by mainstream academia and fundamentalist groups, who wage wars of silence against Rand's philosophy as we discuss this article.
24 posted on 12/30/2003 10:48:35 AM PST by G. Stolyarov II (http://www.geocities.com/rationalargumentator/index19.html)
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To: G. Stolyarov II
It's obvious that Henry knows all that I could never know including what I know so to disagree with his all knowing opinion would be futile.

But in my humble opinion he knows nothing and wasted a lot of my time showing me.

CG
25 posted on 12/30/2003 10:48:49 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Clues for sale, 20 % off through Jan 1, 2004. Don't be clueless, buy yours today.)
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To: JustPlainJoe
Quite true my FRiend.

Jesus is Lord.

26 posted on 12/30/2003 10:49:34 AM PST by sauropod (Excellence in Shameless Self-Promotion)
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To: sauropod
I am.

Good for you.

For myself, I tried to understand Richard Dawkins. I could not get through 3 chapters of The Blind Watchmaker without coming to the conclusion that he had proven the precise opposite of what he was attempting to prove. So I put the book down.

We all interpret the world according to our prejudices. What I often find about "objectivists" (I won't say it's true of all) is they don't admit there prejudices.

I freely admit mine. I know G-d knows more than I do and I trust to His opinions.

Shalom.

27 posted on 12/30/2003 10:50:03 AM PST by ArGee (Scientific reasoning makes it easier to support gross immorality.)
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To: G. Stolyarov II
This author could use a little lesson in Bible studies to find out what the heck its really saying rather than hyperbole.

Sounds to me like they picked up a Bible, made them feel guilty and trashed it labeling it evil. Perhaps a good look in the mirror would show where the evil lies.

They get terrified by "secular humanism" or "Godless atheists" because pretty much the only exposure to such things has been from socialists, communists, and suchlike. Hell, how do you think the destroyers of the United States were able to hoodwink people into putting "Under god" in the pledge of allegiance, in the first place? The sales-pitch was to make us different from the "Godless Commies". In the popular mind (controlled and shaped as it is by the "activists" and their social agendas), the concepts of Communism and Atheism were skillfully and secretly blended, so that the Common man can no longer tell one from the other.

Yep...It was a conspiracy to keep atheists down under the boot of militant Christians... *sigh*.

No, the fear of atheistic society is brought on by people like Mao, Stalin, Saddam and Hitler who, at the time of their power, were viewed simply as powerful atheists like this guy considers himself to be.

There is some crappy religious leaders out there. I have no doubts about that. But one of the major foundations of Christianity is that man is not perfect. Expecting that from anyone who claims Jesus as their savior is wrong and is either too ego-centric to figure it out, or plain ignorant about the subject.

28 posted on 12/30/2003 10:50:45 AM PST by smith288 (Secret member of the VRWC elite forces)
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To: G. Stolyarov II
Rand's "philosophy" is not the be-all and end-all.
29 posted on 12/30/2003 10:50:48 AM PST by sauropod (Excellence in Shameless Self-Promotion)
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To: G. Stolyarov II
"We must take up the torch, fight for all that is good and genuine and beautiful and true"

good, genuine, beautiful and true all add up to the self; and as Howard Dean says; "that's pretty inspiring, when you think about it"
30 posted on 12/30/2003 10:50:52 AM PST by reed_inthe_wind (That Hillary really knows how to internationalize my MOJO.)
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To: ArGee
You've hit the nail on the head. The essence of Objectivism is a denial of the actual subjectivity of the Objectivist's point of view.
31 posted on 12/30/2003 10:52:12 AM PST by thoughtomator ("I will do whatever the Americans want because I saw what happened in Iraq, and I was afraid"-Qadafi)
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To: ArGee
The Blind Watchmaker is on my list to read.

I don't have much truck with "scientists" whose belief in a theory is so complete that they cannot see how ridiculous their rationalization of it is.

32 posted on 12/30/2003 10:52:39 AM PST by sauropod (Excellence in Shameless Self-Promotion)
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To: G. Stolyarov II
The Evangelical-Atheism of some Objectivists is precisely the reason that its valuable lessons of self-reliance, liberty, and free-market economy will never be listened to by millions of people who would otherwise support it. It is like the fixation of a few Libertarians with drug legalization that keeps their whole movement relegated to the fringes. There is no reason an observant Jew, a Christian or any or person of faith cannot live happily in Gult's Gulch. As a Pure-Holier-Than-Thou-Objectivist you may believe their theologies are myths and delusions. You are welcome to that belief. Knowing what you know about a believer doesn't keep the two of you from entering into any mutually acceptable transaction or relationships. If the best deal on oil comes from the Christian are you not going to buy it from him because you think his personal theology is delusional. If the best music teacher is a Jew will you not let him teach your child. That is not objectivism. It is bigotry.
 

33 posted on 12/30/2003 10:52:41 AM PST by azcap
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To: eastsider
I don't have fear of these people, but I do fear for their eternal souls.
34 posted on 12/30/2003 10:53:05 AM PST by reed_inthe_wind (That Hillary really knows how to internationalize my MOJO.)
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To: smith288
Hitler's society was not an atheistic one. It was an altruistic one.
35 posted on 12/30/2003 10:53:42 AM PST by sauropod (Excellence in Shameless Self-Promotion)
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To: thoughtomator
That's basically what I said in #4.
36 posted on 12/30/2003 10:54:39 AM PST by sauropod (Excellence in Shameless Self-Promotion)
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To: azcap
I am willing to enter into any mutually profitable commercial transaction with a man of any ideological persuasion whatsoever; I am willing to discuss ideology with any man who is willing to think and provide arguments to support his viewpoint. But I am not willing to embrace certain Christians' claims that America is fundamentally a religious country, nor will I sanction their attempts to employ the coercive powers of the State to in any manner impede on anyone's religious freedom.

I am not exclusionist, but I am a staunch supporter of full separation of Church and State.

I am an Objectivist.
37 posted on 12/30/2003 10:55:58 AM PST by G. Stolyarov II (http://www.geocities.com/rationalargumentator/index19.html)
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To: sauropod
Most people honestly have no idea what the bible actually says, or what Christianity actually teaches."

Would a quick look at the sale of books relating to the topic of Christianity be considered "evidence" of thought to this "rational thinker?"

How about the number of hours spent in Sunday School classes in group reading and instruction? Sermons ranging from the 20 minute Protestant type to the three hour Evangelical type and the daily Catholic Homily type--does all of this add up to ignorance?

The books of CS Lewis alone account for a huge chunk of the publishing industry, not to mention Christian classics such as Thomas Aquinas and the Confessions of St. Augustine and the "Imitation of Christ" by Thomas A Kempis.

One may argue that just because the Bible is the Number one best selling book of all time, that people buy it but don't read it, but how does one dismiss modern sales of Max Lucado, Deittrich Bonhoeffer or "The Purpose Driven Life" and "The Prayer of Jabez."

One may not agree with the content of all of these, but it is surely some "evidence" that thoughtful Christians know what we believe...

Can we just change the title of this thread to "Why they Ridicule us?"

38 posted on 12/30/2003 10:56:35 AM PST by Dutchgirl
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To: JustPlainJoe
believing in only the here and now, only in what we can see with our own eyes.

Absolutely nobody does this, although some think they do.

Most of us believe that someone loves us. You can not see this with your own eyes, nor can you ever prove it. You can believe it based on past behavior, but you can never know it for sure. Yet we still believe it, and are often proven right.

Likewise, I have seen David Copperfield make a jet aircraft disppear. My first question was, "What is the trick?" I saw it with my own eyes, but I knew what I saw could not be true. As a one-time practitioner of sleight-of-hand I know others react the same way.

The reality is that you view everything with a mental lense, called a worldview. That worldview determines how you interpret what you see, think, and ultimately claim to know.

Whether Christian or objectivist or anything else, you need to be aware that you have a worldview, and be open to challenging it regularly. If you are not aware of your worldview, or are unwilling to challenge it, you are as potentially dangerous as the Taliban.

Shalom.

39 posted on 12/30/2003 10:58:12 AM PST by ArGee (Scientific reasoning makes it easier to support gross immorality.)
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To: ArGee; sauropod
I meant "their prejudice" not "there prejudices."

I hate it when I do that.

Shalom.

40 posted on 12/30/2003 11:00:20 AM PST by ArGee (Scientific reasoning makes it easier to support gross immorality.)
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