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Posted on 12/30/2003 7:28:49 AM PST by nolongerforsale

Many books and articles have been written by psychologists estimating the IQs of people like Isaac Newton and Louis XIV. These estimates may not be very exact, but a surprising amount can be learned by studying the biography of a person and noting their intellectual development.

Isaac Newton, Leibnitz, and Goethe have all been estimated to have had very high IQs, ranging from 160 to 200. Napoleon and Hitler have been estimated around 130-140. King Frederick the Great and Czar Peter the Great around 150. The kings of Europe as a group would be one of the most intelligent groups of people who ever lived, with about a sixth of them being geniuses.

Plato, in his book THE REPUBLIC, described an ideal society ruled by philospher-kings. The American Republic has been run by men of shockingly low ability. Few of them would even be included among the most intelligent 5% of the population. In terms of integrity and character, American politicians would rate little better than the inmates of prisons.

I came across an interesting study which estimated the IQs of American presidents. It comes from ADVANCES IN PSYCHOLOGY RESEARCH, VOLUME 14, edited by Serge P. Shohov. New York, Nova Science Publishers, Inc., 2002. Chapter 6, "Intelligence and Presidential Greatness: Equation Replication Using Updated IQ Estimates" by Dean Keith Simonton. pages 143-153.

The article claims that the best presidents were usually those with the highest IQs. I would question this is in the case of Abraham Lincoln. He started the bloodiest war in American history. Of all the Western countries which had slavery, all of them except the United States and Haiti were able to abolish it peacefully. This might be a better country today if Lincoln had never been elected. Eisenhower isn't rated as very intelligent, but the country prospered under his rule.

Recently, a man sued in Connecticut for being denied a job as a police officer BECAUSE HIS IQ WAS TOO HIGH at 125.

Only in America can a man be denied a job as a policeman for being too intelligent, while stupidity is no bar to being president.

How can these estimates be so detailed as to include tenths of an IQ point? These are averages from a panel of experts based on many criteria.

Washington............................124.7

J. Adams...............................127.8

Jefferson..............................152.9

Madison................................127.8

Monroe.................................107.6

J.Q. Adams.............................133.8

Jackson................................115.7

Van Buren..............................118.7

W. Harrison............................120.7

Tyler..................................123.7

Polk...................................115.7

Taylor.................................109.6

Fillmore...............................114.7

Pierce.................................118.7

Buchanan...............................113.7

Lincoln................................129.8

A. Johnson.............................109.6

Grant..................................107.6

Hayes..................................120.7

Garfield...............................130.8

Arthur.................................130.8

Cleveland..............................116.7

B. Harrison............................114.7

McKinley...............................115.7

T. Roosevelt...........................130.8

Taft...................................121.7

Wilson.................................134.8

Harding................................101.6

Coolidge...............................106.6

Hoover.................................126.7

F. Roosevelt...........................130.8

Truman.................................123.7

Eisenhower.............................114.7

Kennedy................................139.8

L. Johnson.............................119.7

Nixon..................................125.7

Ford...................................115.7

Carter.................................121.7

Reagan.................................125.7

Bush Sr................................117.4

Clinton................................135.0

Bush Jr................................117.1

The problems of the world today are much too complex to be handled by such mediocrities. It has even been suggested that presidential candidates should be given IQ tests. It wouldn't be unreasonable to require candidates to at least be in the upper 1% of the population. That would be almost 3 million people, of whom over a million would be of the proper age, health, and so on.

One President with a high IQ who achieved his potential was Bill Clinton. Clinton had one of the highest IQs and was a Rhodes scholar, and even his enemies agree he was a very good president.

In my opinion, Thomas Jefferson was the best president of all, as well as the most intelligent. But he was a slaveowner who really didn't know much about politics or history. His ideas on how to run a country were mostly wrong.

He was talented at things like architecture and horticulture, though. He was accomplished in many areas.

Al Gore and William Frist would seem to be two politicians of good character and high intelligence. But even they aren't nearly good enough. And they are the best we have.

Today, the world faces overwhelming problems which could destroy civilization and bring on unimaginable catastrophes. The world today is being run by a chaotic system of bad governments and poor systems run by mediocre people with poor characters. To make things even worse, presidents spend almost all their time raising money, attending ceremonial occasions, and wasting time. Very little time is spent learning about the problems of the world and thinking about solutions.

The "smartest man in America" was on television. His IQ is estimated at over 200. He is a part-time bouncer in a bar. His opinions on politics and history were ignorant and ridiculous.

We need a leader with a very high IQ along with other excellent qualities. No one like that is famous anywhere in the world today or holds any public office. This must change.


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To: nolongerforsale
Fake. You are a fool who fell for an urban legend.
21 posted on 12/30/2003 7:35:51 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Nonstatist
Hey i gotta 127 and I am not a President...how on earth did that happen???
22 posted on 12/30/2003 7:35:54 AM PST by DooDahhhh
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To: Atlantic Friend
Do you know how they managed to measure the IQ of late Presidents ?

Perhaps they used a crystal ball.

23 posted on 12/30/2003 7:35:57 AM PST by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: nolongerforsale; Admin Moderator
One President with a high IQ who achieved his potential was Bill Clinton. Clinton had one of the highest IQs and was a Rhodes scholar, and even his enemies agree he was a very good president.

He was a very good president indeed, if having interns blow him while he bombed aspirin factories as a diversion, if incinerating 80 men, women, and children to death in Waco TX, or if covering up the OKC bombing's true cause, TWA 800's reason for crashing, getting more than 900 FBI files in the White House (when one such file caused the downfall of Nixon)... are any indication. And his anti-gun policies were sheer genius at getting fence sitters to become armed and gun-rights activists. Barbara Alice Wise - look her up, and his golf game "scaring ducks." Smart indeed!

By the way, Welcome to FR!

24 posted on 12/30/2003 7:36:01 AM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: nolongerforsale

I smell a troll.

25 posted on 12/30/2003 7:36:04 AM PST by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: nolongerforsale
Begone, troll.
26 posted on 12/30/2003 7:36:05 AM PST by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: nolongerforsale
What a bunch of garbage. There is a term for this: Junk Science.

Interesting that this fiction has Reagan's IQ higher than Jimmah Carter! Also, it is not "Bush Sr" and "Bush Jr"--the guy who came up with that has watched Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade too many times.

Oh, and this:

Eisenhower.............................114.7

Kennedy................................139.8

Sure--the man who wrote Operation Overlord and defeated the greatest military machine the world had ever known had an IQ below 120?! For JFK, they must have given him 30 extra points for outrageous lust.

27 posted on 12/30/2003 7:36:11 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: NotQuiteCricket
because they are goomed for their position from birth

I was GOOMED once...........ONCE!!!
28 posted on 12/30/2003 7:36:11 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS
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To: nolongerforsale
Hope you enjoy your brief visit here.

I'm surprised no credit is given to the Lowenstein Institute in Scranton, PA for all the work they did in contributing to this article.
29 posted on 12/30/2003 7:36:17 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
It's not an article. It's an email going around
30 posted on 12/30/2003 7:36:21 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Puppage
Experts= "Acedemic intelligentsia"

Many Criterie= "Acedemic intelligentsia's political leanings"
31 posted on 12/30/2003 7:36:30 AM PST by smith288 (Secret member of the VRWC elite forces)
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To: nolongerforsale
The author gets my vote for the lowest IQ article of the year.
32 posted on 12/30/2003 7:36:40 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: nolongerforsale
This seems just like another version of this:

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/presiq.htm

33 posted on 12/30/2003 7:36:48 AM PST by SB00
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To: nolongerforsale
This tale is so old it has whiskers.
34 posted on 12/30/2003 7:37:16 AM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: nolongerforsale
All Democrat presidents or presidential candidates are geniuses and all Republican presidents or candidates are morons -- according to you know who.
35 posted on 12/30/2003 7:37:22 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: smith288
AHA!! Thanks for clearing that up for me. LOL
36 posted on 12/30/2003 7:37:22 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: nolongerforsale
Clinton................................135.0

they mistook his brain for his head size

37 posted on 12/30/2003 7:37:29 AM PST by RckyRaCoCo
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To: HEY4QDEMS
LOL - I saw a report that the current President's IQ was measured above the 135 range. He did exceptionally well for someone with Dyslexia before much was known about it.
38 posted on 12/30/2003 7:37:46 AM PST by Ingtar (Understanding is a three-edged sword : your side, my side, and the truth in between ." -- Kosh)
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To: nolongerforsale
Didn't Jimmy Carter have a Ph.D. in Nuclear Physics? I would say that ranks him way above Bill Clinton who never finished his Rhodes Scholar program (wasn't he asked ot leave before finishing it?)

Interesting that Clinton, FDR, JFK had the higher IQ's of the century.

One President with a high IQ who achieved his potential was Bill Clinton.

His potential? Oh Yeh: Impeachment!!!

Now tell me this survey wasn't biased. ROFLOL
39 posted on 12/30/2003 7:37:58 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Puppage
WHAT criteria?

Many criteria!

40 posted on 12/30/2003 7:38:07 AM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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