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The Euro-Socialists' Judeophobia-Spanish politician explains Europe's love affair with the PLO
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| December 30, 2003
| Marc Tobiass
Posted on 12/30/2003 5:50:54 AM PST by SJackson
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12/30/2003 5:50:55 AM PST
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SJackson
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posted on
12/30/2003 5:51:16 AM PST
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SJackson
To: SJackson
You know, I would have to feel very nervous about my position in regards to my standing/relationship to God if I found myself suffering from Judeophobia.
In the Old Testament God said He would scatter the Jewish nation to the four winds, and that there would be a sword at their back in every nation they found themselves in, and that their foot would never rest easy in any nation they had been banished to, and they would live in constant fear, and so it has been.
But to be the individual or nation that is the fulfillment of that dreaded sentence passed upon the Jews would also make one an enemy of God, with no understanding, it seems to me. Not a happy or ultimately prosperours place to be. It's always been astounding to me that these people that call themselves "enlightened" continue to ignore the scriptures that has been proven trustworthy and valid time and time again, and which prophecy's God has said is evidence of Him and His existance.
When an individual demands evidence of God one only has to present Israel as the evidence. Yet the enlightened continue to stumble in the dark, trip on their egos, embrace the enemies of the "apple of God's eye" and dash themselves against the anvil that is the Book.
To: SJackson
Interesting article bump.
The Spanish Left has always been extremely anti-Semitic(something that is odd, considering that Marx himself and a number of other founders of Communism/Socialism were Jews), and it is refreshing to see someone on the left who actually questions this.
The right has tended to be more sympathetic - Franco, for example, permitted Jews fleeing Hitler to come to Spain, and in fact Spain gave asylum to more fleeing Jews than did the US. Franco believed that the Jews, as the people of Jesus Christ, should be protected.
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posted on
12/30/2003 6:30:44 AM PST
by
livius
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posted on
12/30/2003 7:15:22 AM PST
by
Cacique
To: SJackson
In essence, this is a provocative book in the face of totally pro-Arab thinking in Spain, that is completely uncritical of the mistakes of the Arab world in general and of the Palestinians in particular. We want to counter this flagrant imbalance.
You'd think that right next to ornery Morocco and past experience with muslims that the Spaniards would look for alibis to kill muslims... and not Jews.
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posted on
12/30/2003 7:22:10 AM PST
by
JudgemAll
To: SJackson
She has just published "The History of Ada," a metaphor for abandoned children, those child-slaves or children-soldiers one finds all over the world, that is, when they are not turned into human bombs. I bet that she is not on the peace prize ticket... I guess Arafat took that from her. THat would be contradictory.
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posted on
12/30/2003 7:23:00 AM PST
by
JudgemAll
To: SJackson
Further, the more the Jews are presented as being the evil party, the bad ones, the less difficult it is to carry the responsibility and the guilt. This is a process of collective psychology. More precisely, Euros, and especially Germans, are persuaded that any country out there as practiced or could practice genocide of the Jew, and, as a result, the Israeli state is also capable of genocide in their minds, despite its minority defensive status in the MiddleEast.
Portraying Israel as Nazi vindicates their "mistakes" and history... it is the perfect alibi to get away with this ugly past seeking equal moral grounds with others.
However this sinister desperate plot is very much a new form of alibi for present and future crimes against the JEws, wittingly or not.
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posted on
12/30/2003 7:28:31 AM PST
by
JudgemAll
To: SJackson
for coexistence between the State of Israel and a Palestinian state
ONE MORE TIME, a Palestinian state has existed since the late 1940's, it's called Jordon. They offered Arafat a role in government if he would just agree to live in peace with Israel. The King ended up having to boot their Arafat terrorists, killed tens of thousands of the radicals why can't Israel do the same?
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posted on
12/30/2003 7:44:57 AM PST
by
BabsC
To: SJackson
Nice catch.
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12/30/2003 8:13:18 AM PST
by
First_Salute
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To: JudgemAll
Is this the same Pilar who was in "For Whom the Bell Tolls"?
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posted on
12/30/2003 9:08:10 AM PST
by
expatpat
To: SJackson
the overall thinking of the Spanish Left comes from France. Now, France is fundamentally anti-American
from which (comes) our anti-Americanism, that at times borders on the pathological, an anti-Americanism which is also anti-Semitic. This explains why to a certain extent the Spanish Left is anti-Semitic. Obviously, people like myself have great difficulty with this state of affairs. I believe that if the Left has failed as a great world ideology, it is because the Left did not succeed in breaking with the worst of its dogmatic thinking. The Left can be very progressive, but it can also be very dogmatic. Unfortunately, the Left became infatuated with such infamous dictators as Pol Pot, Mao, and Stalin, and now it is in love with Arafat. The Left should be critical, and in the first place, self-critical.
Oh, the left is critical, all right--critical of everyone and every organization which actually
does things instead of just talking about them. And since that is exactly what sells newspapers and inflates the self-image of reporters, it is no wonder that journalism corresponds to leftism.
But as to being self-critical, leftism is essentially incompatible with that. "Talk radio," for example, is essentially a form of journalism which does not claim to be "objective" and, in the sense that its practitioners accept that their perspective has a label, is self-critical. And that label is rarely "liberal."
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posted on
12/30/2003 10:02:39 AM PST
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dennisw
To: livius
The Spanish Left has always been extremely anti-Semitic(something that is odd, considering that Marx himself and a number of other founders of Communism/Socialism were Jews), and it is refreshing to see someone on the left who actually questions this. Marx was not Jewish. He was a childhood convert to Lutherenism and a notorious hater of Judaism. Go read
On the Jewish Question.
Since in civil society the real nature of the Jew has been universally realized and secularized, civil society could not convince the Jew of the unreality of his religious nature, which is indeed only the ideal aspect of practical need. Consequently, not only in the Pentateuch and the Talmud, but in present-day society we find the nature of the modern Jew, and not as an abstract nature but as one that is in the highest degree empirical, not merely as a narrowness of the Jew, but as the Jewish narrowness of society. Once society has succeeded in abolishing the empirical essence of Judaism -- huckstering and its preconditions -- the Jew will have become impossible, because his consciousness no longer has an object, because the subjective basis of Judaism, practical need, has been humanized, and because the conflict between man's individual-sensuous existence and his species-existence has been abolished.
The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.
Communism is anti-Semitic.
The right has tended to be more sympathetic - Franco, for example, permitted Jews fleeing Hitler to come to Spain, and in fact Spain gave asylum to more fleeing Jews than did the US. Franco believed that the Jews, as the people of Jesus Christ, should be protected.
It is more complex. Classical Spanish nationalism, from the Reconquista through the Spanish monarchy was anti-Semitic. Jews were considered an enemy of Catholic Spain (even though Jews were in Hispania before Catholics!). If you will note, Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492 and for the next 200 years, converts and their families were troubled by the Inquisition. I believe that Jews were only allowed to return to Spain after Napoleon invaded.
Francisco Franco came from a family of conversos. Franco and Bahamonde were common Jewish surnames in Spain.
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posted on
12/30/2003 10:17:02 AM PST
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rmlew
(Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
To: MissAmericanPie
It's always been astounding to me that these people that call themselves "enlightened" continue to ignore the scriptures that has been proven trustworthy and valid time and time again, and which prophecy's God has said is evidence of Him and His existance. Sister, this should not astonish you. If the "enlightened" do not take the Word seriously, and/or even believe in the Almighty, it stands to reason that they would ignore His Word, right?
When an individual demands evidence of God one only has to present Israel as the evidence. Yet the enlightened continue to stumble in the dark, trip on their egos, embrace the enemies of the "apple of God's eye" and dash themselves against the anvil that is the Book.
C'mon with it, Sister! Speak on it! ;-)
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12/30/2003 7:11:23 PM PST
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12/30/2003 9:37:16 PM PST
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To: SJackson
Very very very good. She could write my posts to Free Republic for me.
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posted on
12/31/2003 3:25:44 AM PST
by
dennisw
(G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
To: SJackson
A very interesting and disturbing presentation of current Spanish thinking on the Middle East.
To: rmlew
"Marx was not Jewish". That is kind of misleading, don't you think? Especially given the outlines of the argument of the posted article - a very thoughtful presentation on the origins of the current wave of European Antisemitism I might add.
I agree Marx was a protestant; it was his father who had him baptized as a protestant. Karl later went on to be confirmed as a protestant...and never received a traditional Jewish education of any kind.
However, to deny that Karl Marx was Jewish doesn't really tell the story, as I understand it. His father was a son of a rabbi - and the family was openly Jewish, until the Prussian laws appeared that prevented Jews from serving in any high professions. The Marx family rejected Judaism under duress (an irony given the Spanish connection in the current article).
Karl Marx's father original name was Hirschel ha-Levi Marx; this family line was descended from famous Talmudic scholars. This was true as well for Karl Marx's mother, Henrietta Pressborck. Karl Marx's dad, however, decided to deny this cultural legacy to Karl when he was very young. It was a kind of lie of fantastic proportions to put upon a little kid.
Thus, Karl Marx was raised within the echos of two lines of Talmudic imprint.
I don't think it's wise to downplay the impact of the choices of his Jewish parents on the formation of the communist ideology he set forth in Das Kapital. I don't think it's wise to downplay ANY of the ingredients of a stew of ideas that inspired the murder of tens of millions.
Communism is a kind of lie of fantastic proportions....
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posted on
12/31/2003 7:38:38 AM PST
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gobucks
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