-Eric
Posted on 12/29/2003 10:21:03 AM PST by Semper Paratus
Sec. Ridge will hold a briefing at 3:30 PM EST.
Nothing follows.
I truly need to sign off for the night or I would take the time to paint a few of those scenarios, but duty calls. But note, none of my posts were arguments *against* law abiding citizens being armed. (Nor did I argue for carrying onto a plane, but that does not translate into an anti-gun sentiment)
Oh, I don't, do I?
You call 10 million plus illegal aliens nothing to be concerned about, security-wise?
Gimme a break.
All this yellow/orange/mauve alert crap is just for show. "We're doing something about it!" Yeah, right.
-Eric
It's just easy to be a Keyboard Critic. If some of these folks were actually forced to handle the logistical and managerial nightmares of some of these tasks they mock, well...
I haven't found a process yet that couldn't be improved, but I try to focus on whether things are moving in the right direction or not. And I'll say it again - I'm absolutely amazed that we have not been struck on our homeland since 9/11.
Baloney. There were hints. They just weren't pieced together in time. But perhaps if you had been in charge.
:-D
Bwahahahaaaa haaaaaa!!!!
Oh, my side! [gasp!]
Or, in your case, your bunker. Don't forget your can opener!
Reminder: All this whining and moaning isn't good for your health.
Hmm...let's review the exchange.
Mulder: I don't, which is why I'm armed most of the time.cajungirl: Why am I not surprised you are armed all the time? I am not being fractious, I am not saying anything to inflame anyone, just asking.
Mulder: I don't know. Maybe you believe that us peasants are incapable of defending ourselves, and only the gov't can do so?
cajungirl: Hon, do tell how your firearm would have helped anyone in that building on 911. And how is it going to stop an anthrax attack. You are delusional if you think that your defense can be what you need in this kind of war. Why, our fully armed young men are kgetting blown up as we speak. What have you done for the Republic other than try to deconstruct it?
Your "excellent" comprehension skille have failed you. Better have another look.
There's little doubt that we can all think of several scenarios regarding guns, knives, bombs, nightsticks, baseball bats, Chinese throwing stars, and wet noodles. But that isn't the point, is it? The questions we're trying to answer is whether, on balance, we are more or less secure if passengers are armed.
It seems to me a given that the potential of facing armed passengers presents an additional unknown, thus making a terrorist's job more difficult. That's true whether they're armed or not. It would be very difficult (read: impossible) to claim otherwise and be taken seriously.
That's only about the tenth time that argument has been used on this thread.
As with the Klinton defenders, it's ignore the facts, attack the individual.
Yes, he certainly seems "anti-gun." Now what about "control freak"? Or was that just empty rhetoric?
I reread section 802, and you're correct. However the phrase "appears to be intended to.... intimidate or influence" in paragraph B is intentionally vague, and as such, it's not too hard to think of many scenarios where it could be misused.
It's not hard to see where any phrase, pulled out of context, could be misused. However, taken in its entirety and with its understood intent, it is not vague.
The fact that the gov't can come in and search your property without telling you. Prior to 9/11 they could do this, but only under exigent circumstances. The bar has been significantly lowered by the Patriot Act.
The gov't CANNOT come in and search without telling you. The must tell you, EVEN UNDER THE PATRIOT ACT. It is however, a delayed notification. This has been used many time prior to the Patriot Act and has held up in court as Constitutional.
So, how has the bar been significantly lowered by the Patriot Act?
Every domestic electronic eavesdropping measure should require a warrant. Exigent circumstances excluded.
The Patriot Act does not change this.
Less than the ramifications of leaving the borders wide open to illegal immigrants.
The gov't had all the laws they needed to prevent 9/11.
Really? So, writing a law allowing "roving wiretaps" with respect to today's technology was already available? A specific law allowing delayed notification was available? A specific law allowing information sharing between governmental agencies WAS NOT NEEDED?????
Your reply with respect to non-terror uses of the Patriot Act...Drug cases, gambling cases, strip club cases. I even saw a thread here about how the Act was used in regards to Limbaugh, but I haven't read that thread yet.
Ahem...Are you trying to be purposely misleading or are you ill informed? There has been ONE "strip club case" in Vegas and the portions of the Patriot Act which were used could have been easily done PRIOR to the Patriot Act. It would have simply taken more time.
The "gambling case" existed because the Patriot Act prohibits the online transfer of funds from criminal activity. Prior to the PA, it was illegal to transfer funds from criminal activity anyway. Now, it is just easier to track. Moreover, companies like Paypal and Citibank stop transferring funds that had to do with online gambling. Are your equally assaulting Paypal/ebay and Citibank for these limitations?
There haven't been any specific drug cases mentioned with respect to the Patriot Act but there have been a number of drug investigations where they used the nationwide warrant section of the PA. With today's technology, it is a REASONABLE extension of the current search warrant laws.
A resolution against a bill which eviscerates the Bill of Rights isn't "bureaucracy". It's one of the few legitimate things a gov't can do, since the primary purpose of gov't is to secure our Rights.
And in the case of "resolutions" against the Patriot Act, they do nothing...ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! The express concern about the PASSED legislation but DO NOTHING! They are NON BINDING AND MEANINGLESS! And you think that is a good use of government time and resources?? Why? Are you too lazy to do the same damn thing yourself? Were you actively talking with like minded folks as well as your representatives so they would vote against the bill?
It would certainly be better spent than what they are spending it on now.
Really? Why?
A few thousand troops, augmented by volunteers could do the job.
If you really wanted to go cheap, just put a bounty on the head of any male illegal immigrant over the age of 14.
Oh, now I see. A few thousand troops to protect how many miles of border?? The US-Mexican border is roughly 2000 miles. So, you want what? One troop per mile? Oh, that will do it!
Couple the mexican border with the Canadian border and you have OVER 5000 Miles of border to protect...with a few thousand troops, eh? And let's not forget about the water borders as well. That adds an additional 2400 miles to the Canadian border.
But sure, let's go on the cheap and, reminiscent of Jesse Ventura ("You haven't really hunted 'til ya hunted man.") hunt down all male illegal immigrants over 14 years of age. sounds good. Do they wear signs on their backs? foreheads? or are you really just focusing on those "damn Mexicans"? How do you tell an illegal from a legal immigrant? Do we get to shoot them or just turn them in?
Remember my previous post when I brought up the idea of REASONABLE alternatives? Do you really think these are reasonable?
"Intelligent discussion" isn't missing from Free Republic. It just doesn't support what you seem to stand for and therefore you must find ways to undermine it.
What you continue to do is offer criticism, deserved and undeserved, without any reasonable alternatives nor much rational thought.
BINGO. Remember government employees are returning to work...and they DO NOT want to be INCONVEINENCED! Move along, all is well.
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