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Safety not worth the price
Mesa Legend (Mesa Community College) ^ | 12/24/03 | Ryan Baily

Posted on 12/29/2003 9:18:12 AM PST by NorCoGOP

MESA, Ariz. -- There appears to be a trend emerging in modern Western society. It is something that has been noticeable in the past, but is something that I think has become more prominent and disturbing in recent years. It is the habit we have developed of sacrificing personal freedom and convenience in favor of increased security, almost always in reaction to an isolated incident which we are afraid to treat as such.

Periodically, and with alarming frequency, something tragic will happen that will be greatly publicized. Perhaps this event injures or kills a person or many people; and, whether it is the media-driven American people demanding a change or elected officials eager to look like they are making a difference, precautions are put in place which restrict those very American people to the point that such an event recurring is nearly impossible.

The most dramatic of these events, with the most far-reaching internal effects, has been the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. I recall when our leaders assured us that the best way to fight the terrorists ourselves was to continue to live our lives normally and enjoy the freedoms that our enemies would wish to take away from us.

But our fear became a far greater opponent to our freedoms than any band of calculating psychopaths could ever achieve. And so things began to change.

As if to protect us from the inevitable eventuality of further hijackings, soldiers with machine guns took the place of obnoxious airport metal detector attendants. All luggage needed to be unpacked, studied, and repacked before transport on a passenger jet. My small Swiss army knife was instantly transformed from a personal convenience to a deadly weapon for terrorist use. Racial profiling became a very real law enforcement technique. And I can't get on a plane without taking my shoes off at the terminal.

Is this our normal life? Am I safer in my flight because my family and friends can't come and meet me at the gate? How has America gotten through 70 years of commercial flight without needing machine guns at every terminal? Are someone's socks really a threat to the lives of everybody on that plane?

As if this wasn't enough, our leaders drafted and almost unanimously passed the USA Patriot Act, 342 pages of knee-jerk legislation which has been adequately covered by this publication. For our own good, they removed any privacy that we think we have in favor of allowing the government to take any measures it deems necessary to discern any malicious intent any of us may harbor. I believe that all who study this act will be stunned at the constitutional rights the act takes away.

I don't want to be that safe. And an event occurring doesn't necessarily make it any more likely to occur in the future. Someone blowing up a plane doesn't mean that "people blow up planes now." I don't expect it. I am not afraid of it. And no amount of gun-toting servicemen or phone-tapping FBI agents will make me less afraid.

No amount of security is worth my freedoms, nor is it worth my ability to lead a comfortable, normal life. We have no alternative but to build our world to accommodate normal people. We can and should take reasonable precautions to protect ourselves from the dangerously insane. I think metal detectors are a great idea. But at some point we have done all that we can reasonably be expected to do and can only hope for the best.

For over 200 years, people have been giving their lives to obtain and protect necessary freedoms for the people of this country; because freedom is possibly the only commodity more precious than life itself.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: Busywhiskers
The question isn't whether or not it's acceptable to sacrifice genuine liberty for safety. The question is whether this particular set of laws, here being condemned without an alternate plan, has done so.

Remember the Dems did vote YEA here. If they had a better plan, that was the time to offer it and campaign for it. They didn't have one. It's their PC sensibilities that watered this one down into a harassing nuisance at airports. We can't selectively pick on the people whom we know to be the risk--we have to pick on everybody. But are 80-year-old grandmothers actually having to go to jail, or having their phones bugged by the FBI? I doubt it. They're just be harassed by bumptious individuals at airports. A slight delay, an insulting inconvenience--but no net loss of freedom.

There probably is more inconvenience by busybody bureaucrats and low-wage security workers than there has ever been before, to a select few, but is there a genuine and pervasive loss of fundamental freedom and privacy by all Americans?
21 posted on 12/29/2003 9:50:43 AM PST by Triple Word Score
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To: FreeInWV
Do you mind if me and my friends look through your your financial and medical information?

Are you alluding to the Patriot Act? Have you even read it? They need a court order and sufficient "proof" before they can check your records, and do you know how many times they've used it so far? Well, the answer is... Zero. None. Not once.

So.. would you mind if my illegal alien friend Ahmed goes to your Church when youre there and blows himself up sometime? How about next Sunday?

22 posted on 12/29/2003 10:00:03 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Triple Word Score
If you know about the "know your customer" and "sneek and peek" provisions of the law and don't think that they are a loss of freedom, particularly going forward I question what the idea of freedom really is.
23 posted on 12/29/2003 10:00:05 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: Nonstatist
how many times they've used it so far? Well, the answer is... Zero. None. Not once.

That is unknown. Such info is unavailable.

But you can speculate whether Hillary will use it in the future.

24 posted on 12/29/2003 10:02:06 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: thoughtomator
thoughtomator wrote
If it does not act to stop our enemies from killing us, what reason does government have to exist?
You are thinking exactly how the government wants you to think, and exactly opposite to the way a freedom loving individual thinks.

As a freedom loving individual, I realize that my own safety is ultimately my responsibility. It is also my responsibility (and the responsibility of every able bodied citizen) to defend my neighbors, my state and my country. To do this, we do delegate (not abdicate, delegate) some authority and responsibility to police and to a national defense (army, navy, etc.). However, the police have the responsibility and authority because individuals like you and me delegated that authority. The don't get that authority from "the government."

25 posted on 12/29/2003 10:03:14 AM PST by cc2k
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To: NorCoGOP
Welcome to Liberty Lite. That's where we search for bombs instead of terrorists. It is less explosive, politically, to search grannies and hotties at clogged airport terminals than it is to go after people who actually fit the profile of suicide bombers.

That's what Afghanistan was all about, being over the right target. Iraq was about who we could attack with the least consequence while settling old scores.
26 posted on 12/29/2003 10:06:02 AM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Protagoras
They certainly could be. However, most of the provisions of the law are not being used. Certainly the most objectionable portions are not.

There's a case in Texas of a citizen out walking at night. A policeman who had stopped him before and questioned him stopped him again. The first time, the citizen had provided ID and answered all questions, but the second time, he decided not to put up with it and refused. He was arrested--and then provided all information freely. The case will be going to court this next month. FReepmail me for the link--you'd find it very interesting reading as it is obviously a case of police harassment of a citizen.

None of this is based on post-9/11 law--the law under which he was (improperly) arrested was pre-9/11, and wouldn't have been implemented this way but for an overzealous public servant. That particular beast has existed as long as society has had hierarchies and the best-written laws could not get rid of it.
27 posted on 12/29/2003 10:07:26 AM PST by Triple Word Score
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To: NorCoGOP
Meet Mr Mohammed

Mohammed says his profound most sincere thank you.

Note two meg file but well worth it.

*Mohammed says thank you*

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cut and paste

28 posted on 12/29/2003 10:08:08 AM PST by CHICAGOFARMER (Citizen Carry)
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To: thoughtomator; NorCoGOP; Nonstatist; sinkspur; Johnny Gage; elbucko; Triple Word Score
First among freedoms is the right to life. If it does not act to stop our enemies from killing us, what reason does government have to exist? And what freedom will really exist when an enemy can end your life arbitrarily? Living in cowed fear is not freedom

Do you really go through life terrified someone is looking to end your life? Good grief!

If you are an example of the kind of neurotic that American citizens have become, they are not worth saving. They've already lost their lives to pathological fear, and are willing sell out all freedom for a little of government brand "security."

When someone has to show their bare feet in public before being allowed to board an airplane, their privacy has been invaded (to say nothing of having their insides viewed by strangers.)

Hank

29 posted on 12/29/2003 10:11:56 AM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: RightWhale
We will have none of those freedoms if the Islamists achieve their goals.
30 posted on 12/29/2003 10:14:22 AM PST by thoughtomator ("I will do whatever the Americans want because I saw what happened in Iraq, and I was afraid"-Qadafi)
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To: Protagoras
That is unknown. Such info is unavailable.

Not exactly true since you need a court order in order to do a search of records.

BTW, you need nothing more than a court order (pre-9/11) in order to execute a search of an apartment, etc. Is that equally offensive ?

31 posted on 12/29/2003 10:14:39 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: NorCoGOP
Antiwar = AntiAmerica

       The left is your enemy

32 posted on 12/29/2003 10:15:05 AM PST by bert (Have you offended a liberal today?)
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To: GluteusMax
Then you won't mind if I club you on the head and steal your wallet?

So long as you don't mind a .45 round in the forehead.

After he clubs you on the head and steals your wallet, he'll then steal your .45, your SUV, and your pet dog, as well.

33 posted on 12/29/2003 10:18:01 AM PST by Consort
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To: cc2k
When did I say that the army/police got their authority "from the government"? I didn't even imply that. My statement should be pretty clear - if the government doesn't perform the role for which we have delegated it that authority, it has no reason to exist. I don't see where you read in those other things.
34 posted on 12/29/2003 10:18:03 AM PST by thoughtomator ("I will do whatever the Americans want because I saw what happened in Iraq, and I was afraid"-Qadafi)
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To: Hank Kerchief
You're boarding privately-owned transportation. The privately-owned transportation industry didn't come up with the shoe threat on its own--someone actually tried to blow up a plane with his shoes.

You are free not to pick up hitchhikers in your car who might threaten your life; is an airline not entitled to try to see that nobody will blow up its employees and customers and valuable airplanes? Of course it's not truly Constitutional for the federal government to be in charge of it, but someone has to do it. Certainly the costs incurred by the taxpayer on 9/11 show that the federal government has a strong interest in preventing more attacks!

Anyone who wants can preserve his privacy almost completely by not flying, or buying his own plane.

(Note: on other days, at other times, in other moods, this writer's opinion may vary.)
35 posted on 12/29/2003 10:19:01 AM PST by Triple Word Score
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To: thoughtomator
if the Islamists achieve their goals

They won't. They will lose; they can't win. But, it is better to end the battle by destroying these enemies of freedom now than to win anyway in a few hundred more years.

36 posted on 12/29/2003 10:21:47 AM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: Hank Kerchief
When someone has to show their bare feet in public before being allowed to board an airplane,

The only Democrap in the cabinet is Minetta, and hes at Dept of Transportation. You can thank him for the mindless "search everyone", "equality of suspicion" mentality over there. I suspect a more rational , less PC approach might be forthcoming if he were to "leave" after this term (heres hoping).

37 posted on 12/29/2003 10:22:07 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Nonstatist
I would agree that the burden of proof is sufficiently low enough that a hand picked judge would approve just about anything.

How do you know how many times its been used? Are you aware that you will go to prison if you reveal that its been used? Thats kinda like Castro saying "The sky is peenk and I will keell anyone that says otherwise".

Just freepmail Roy your credit card info. He claims to have a really good reason for it. Sure, he won't tell anyone what it is and its illegal for you to ask, but if you don't have anything to hide I'm sure you have nothing to fear.
38 posted on 12/29/2003 10:24:14 AM PST by FreeInWV (Do you know where your cows have been?)
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To: Triple Word Score
However, most of the provisions of the law are not being used. Certainly the most objectionable portions are not.

I find this amazing. What exactly is your point on that? I don't want to be accused of putting words into your mouth.

39 posted on 12/29/2003 10:26:33 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: NorCoGOP
I'm tired of hearing all the whiners moaning about having to take their shoes off at the airport and going through bag searches, metal detectors, etc.

Heres what I propose to remedy the situation.

Create a new airline, call it Freedom Air.

No metal detectors, no screeners, no hassles whatsoever. Guns, explosive devices, knives, scissors, box cutters, shoe bombs, zip guns, etc... all welcome.

Then all the whiners can fly themselves and their families on it after signing a legally binding document that absolves the airline and the US government from all liability in case of a terrorist incident.

Course you may have trouble rounding up enough suicidal pilots and flight attendants but at least the whiners would shut their pie holes...permanently.

40 posted on 12/29/2003 10:27:04 AM PST by Walkin Man
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