Report: Submarine damage worse than expected [USS Hartford]

Interesting....there was incident with a KC-135 (B-707)a few years ago, where it was "family day" , spouses were in the pilot's seats, while in cruise.

It came time for the ladies to get out of the seats, and in doing so, one spouse used the trim control for support as she moved out of the seat....turning the trim caused the A/C to go into a steep unrecoverable dive, all were lost that day.....

I wonder if there was a similar situation here, where "unofficial" personal were on board. The hi-speed run was to demonstrate just how fast this "baby" will go....

Finally got to hear the story face to face. The sub was not submerged but had an Italian pilot on board. They hit the shoals/rocks at full speed and then gunned it to get through it and hit more shoals, nearly corkscrewing the sub. It was not submerged. Funny how bits and pieces over a telephone can get so totally screwed up. Still, the facts are as I believe them to be are: a)they had Italian locals on board b)the sub was going full speed c)It hit rocks/shoals and corkscrewed the entire sub d) the gunning of the engines full speed onto the second set of rocky shoals did more damage. e) damage was initially feared to be catastrophic and the crew scared significantly

It still paints a pretty ugly picture since the Italian was at the helm with the Boat and Squadron commander.

Admiral Nimitz, as a young Naval officer, ran a tin can (destroyer) aground in Manila Bay. That was back in an era when officers were granted some leniency, providing you had a stellar record (up to the point you screwed up ) ... it was considered part of the learning curve.

My dad met a Commodore on some God-forsaken island in the South Pacific in WWII. It seems that three guys on my dad's ship had gotten into a minor scrape. (They were nicknamed Big, Middle, and Little Mendoza, not related: they assigned guys to ships in alphabetical order.) The Commodore wanted to throw the book at them. My dad managed to get them out of trouble, but he did have to wonder about this commodore -- the only one he'd ever seen.

Back in the early days of radio navigation, it seems that this guy had helped run a squadron of destroyers ashore off Long Beach due to a misreading of the radio direction finder. They sent him far, far away, and I guess he was pretty bitter. (Here is the story of the grounding.)

They do hull cuts all of the time, even before the boats commissioned, during new construction and subsequent upgrades and overhauls. Not all the equipment in the boat comes in through the hatches. In fact during each overhaul, there are typically three or more hull cuts in the people tank to allow for the access, removal and repair of equipment.

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