One Tariff Down, Many More to Go

Heritage Foundation / Fox News ^ | Monday, December 22, 2003 | Sara Fitzgerald

[presidio9]

President Bush

[gooleyman]

While I think they should have never been instituted in the first place, it is good to take them off before the Steel industry gets too complacent. We all must realize that we can't afford to have the Government continue it's bailout maneuvers. It's a case of the medicine being worse for you than the illness.

We need less Government and less taxes and yes...less spending NOT more.

[68skylark]

Now that NAFTA has been passed, does anyone know how is it that we still have tariffs on products from Canada or Mexico (and how is it that they still have tariffs on some products from here)?

[DugwayDuke]

"Whether it’s Christmas shopping or just the bare necessities, everyday life would be much cheaper without tariffs. Take orange juice, for example. The United States has a 7 percent tariff on imported juice."

But these tariffs are the only thing standing between us and cheap chinese orange juice made from enslaved orange trees.

[11B3]

Cheap goods are great - we'll be needing everything to be cheap when no one has a job that pays over minimum wage, if they have one at all.

[Uncle Miltie]

"Tariffs are really hidden taxes, and the sooner Congress introduces legislation to eliminate them -- and thwart efforts to impose new ones -- the better."

BOOOOOOM!

(The sound of Brigadiers' heads blowing up!)

[presidio9]

Cheap goods are great - we'll be needing everything to be cheap when no one has a job that pays over minimum wage, if they have one at all.

I work in an industry that receives zero protection. Since graduating from college, I have switched jobs 5 times, moved three times, and gone back for continuing education. As a result, I do very well financially, but I have worked very hard to get to this point. I can't tell you how comforting it is to me that I'm subsidizing the employment and wages of people in other industries who believe that something comes from nothing and their government should entitle them to maintain their current quality of life.

[Willie Green]

On April 8, James Madison, once again a congressman from Virginia, addressed the House. He went right to the point. Congress, he said, must "remedy the evil" of "the deficiency in our Treasury." He argued that "[a] national revenue must be obtained," but not in a way "oppressive to our constituents."

" A single, uniform tariff, he insisted...  was consistent with the principles of free trade"

Excerpted from: The First Federal Revenue Law

"I am one of those who do not believe that a national debt is a national blessing, but rather a curse to a republic; inasmuch as it is calculated to raise around the administration a moneyed aristocracy dangerous to the liberties of the country."

-- President Andrew Jackson - (1824)

Ignoring the dire consequences to our Treasury, Industrial Infrastructure and National Security, the Bush Administration blindly adheres to tax and trade policies that strictly benefit transnational corporatism.

[presidio9]

Bush Administration blindly adheres to tax and trade policies that strictly benefit transnational corporatism.

Wouldn't you be more comfortable talking about how the later-day aristocracy suppresses the working class in this country?

I mean -please- just who do you think the end beneficiaries are of your so-called "transnational corporatism." Inanimate corporations?

[Willie Green]

I mean -please- just who do you think the end beneficiaries are of your so-called "transnational corporatism." Inanimate corporations?

Considering the widespread dilution of stock ownership that creates an environment of virtual absentee ownership and lack-of-accountability, the primary beneficiaries of this legislative and policy manipulation are the unelected corporate bureaucrats who operate these transnational entities. Our national policies are being formulated strictly to facilitate their career ambitions, NOT for what is in the best interest of the American People.

"I hope we shall... crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country."

--Thomas Jefferson to George Logan, 1816. FE 10:69

[presidio9]

Considering the widespread dilution of stock ownership that creates an environment of virtual absentee ownership and lack-of-accountability, the primary beneficiaries of this legislative and policy manipulation are the unelected corporate bureaucrats who operate these transnational entities. Our national policies are being formulated strictly to facilitate their career ambitions, NOT for what is in the best interest of the American People.

BZZZT! Incorrect. The beneficiaries are #1 the shareholders, and #2 the consumers. Absent a protectionist economy that safety-nets revenues for inefficient corporations, So-called "corporate bureaucrats are paid exactly what the market will bear.

And do yourself a favor: Find yourself a more contemporary protectionist champion. Jefferson was an authority on many subjects, but he lacks any credibility on the current global trade enviornment. When he was alive, international trade took months.

[Willie Green]

Wouldn't you be more comfortable talking about how the later-day aristocracy suppresses the working class in this country?

"Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains."

--Thomas Jefferson to Horatio G. Spafford, 1814. ME 14:119

Owing no allegience to the United States of America, modern transnational corporatists view the American Middle Class as merely a market to be plundered and a workforce to suppress. Similarly, they also view domestic industries as competition that must also be beaten down into submission. To this end, they leave intact the federal regulatory bureaucracy which economicly shackles our own endeavors, while undermining our efforts with importation of foreign goods and laborers. And they care little of the consequences to our government's Treasury, as long as they can manipulate policy to minimize their own tax obligation for the debt.

"Think what you do when you run into debt;
you give another power over your liberty."

-- Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)

[dennisw]

I love tariffs. We need more of them a load of them on all the cheap crap from ChiCom land. Jack up tarriffs and lower federal taxes.

[presidio9]

Owing no allegience to the United States of America, modern transnational corporatists view the American Middle Class as merely a market to be plundered and a workforce to suppress. Similarly, they also view domestic industries as competition that must also be beaten down into submission. To this end, they leave intact the federal regulatory bureaucracy which economicly shackles our own endeavors, while undermining our efforts with importation of foreign goods and laborers. And they care little of the consequences to our government's Treasury, as long as they can manipulate policy to minimize their own tax obligation for the debt.

Trying to camoflage your SOCIALIST just who are viewpoint with delibrately vague prose and irrelevant quotes from our Founding Fathers is all well and good, but just who are these anonymous "corporatists" to which you refer. Virtually every American owns stock in one form or another. Speak plain English, if you dare.

[Willie Green]

So-called "corporate bureaucrats are paid exactly what the market will bear.

Ignore what I said about absentee-ownership and lack of accountability all you want,
At the highest levels of transnational corporatism, the bureaucrats all pat each other on the back and increase their own compensation packages with little or no true oversight. It is only after the absentee stockholders are fleeced that the extravegent abuses of a Dennis Kozlowski are revealed.

[presidio9]

I love tariffs. We need more of them a load of them on all the cheap crap from ChiCom land. Jack up tarriffs and lower federal taxes.

Did you even bother to read this article?

[presidio9]

Ignore what I said about absentee-ownership and lack of accountability all you want, At the highest levels of transnational corporatism, the bureaucrats all pat each other on the back and increase their own compensation packages with little or no true oversight. It is only after the absentee stockholders are fleeced that the extravegent abuses of a Dennis Kozlowski are revealed.

This is the same type of class warfare employed by the bolsheviks. Tariffs hit the middle class much harder than the elites.

[Willie Green]

but just who are these anonymous "corporatists" to which you refer.

Simply name the transnationals: Boeing, Ford, GM, Chrysler, WalMart, etc. etc. None of these should be considered American corporations anymore. The list goes on and on.

Virtually every American owns stock in one form or another. Speak plain English, if you dare.

I already stated my position on dilute stock ownership, absentee ownership and lack of accountablitiy -- in plain English. Continue to ignore it if you wish, you haven't rebutted or refuted it. You simply ignore or deny.

[presidio9]

Simply name the transnationals: Boeing, Ford, GM, Chrysler, WalMart, etc. etc. None of these should be considered American corporations anymore. The list goes on and on.

And who benifits from the profitibility of these corporations?

And who benefits from competitive pricing?

I already stated my position on dilute stock ownership, absentee ownership and lack of accountablitiy -- in plain English. Continue to ignore it if you wish, you haven't rebutted or refuted it. You simply ignore or deny.

Actually, you have not stated your position. You made a vague insinuation. I am an educated share holder.

[Willie Green]

Tariffs hit the middle class much harder than the elites.

Not true. Applying only to imported goods, tariffs enable Americans to enjoy the fruits of utilizing their own labor and natural resources with lower domestic taxation.