Mexican Troops Fire on U.S. Border Watchers

www.newsmax.com ^ | Dec. 23, 2003 | Jon E. Dougherty

[Pro-Bush]

Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., head of the House Immigration Reform Caucus, says 115 incursions by Mexican military and police have been documented by the U.S. government since 1996.

I saw next time we respond with .50 caliber machine gun fire followed up by a few mortars to let them know who's the boss!

[ysoitanly]

Thanks for the insight. I should be in the same category of those who didn't live in California and had all of their opinions about the recall, and I didn't feel they had the right to. I respect your opinions because you are there in Arizona, where we have similar (but not the same situations) and I'll lay back.

[meadsjn]

"He waited until the first two soldiers moved into the clear. One was carrying an AK-47 and the other an RPK," a light machine gun version of the AK. "Both were wearing [olive drab] green fatigues and Kevlar helmets," Foote said.

That makes them fair targets for any US citizen in my book. Shoot, shovel, and shut up.

[ysoitanly]

Please see my reply to Spiff. I support and understand.

[Labyrinthos]

Dummies is right. I don't believe this story. Didn't Foote or anyone else think to take a picture of the Mexican troops on our soil? They have to offer more proof than this. I'm not buying it. Foote is not trustworthy and very much on the fringe.

My thoughts exactly. Let's go to the videotape.

[archy]

I've often defended civilian border watch groups such as American Border Patrol and others. However, I think Jack Foote, this Nethercott fellow, and the whole Ranch Rescue bunch are loose cannons. They are going to hurt the border reform movement far more than they will help it. I wish these whackjobs would go find another hobby before someone gets hurt.

Your good friends appreciate your thoughts. Once the Reconquista is completed, there will be a small position for you working for the occupation forces.

[TomGuy]

Washington did not immediately respond

We'll see a full-fledged war along the border (citizens against the insurgents), if Washington doesn't start responding.

[Spiff]

I know it's a pipe dream, but that's the reason we need organized 'troops' - State or Federal - operating here on the border.

I absolutely agree. We need troops on OUR border, not Bosnia's or Kosovo's border. Not Germany's border. OUR border. And every time we go code Orange is just another unpleasant reminder that terrorists have unfettered access to our interior just by crossing through Cochise County, Arizona.

Do you hear that terrorists?! Nobody will stop you if you're careful and you cross at Cochise County, Arizona. You can waltz right onto a sensitive military installation - Ft. Huachuca, Arizona - and do whatever you want. At least 150 intruders did just that the weekend after we invaded Iraq. There's no one watching, so you terrorists have at it. And once you cross the border, it is a simple car/van/truck ride up to the Phoenix area. That Palo Verde Nuclear plant is a juicy target, don't you think? Take that out in a manner that spreads radiation and you'll wipe out the entire Phoenix metropolitan area. And you only have to travel 4 hours from the wide open border. Just fly into Sonora, Mexico from Brazil or Argentina like we've seen so many others do (we've found their plane tickets in their abandoned backpacks). Then, take a quick taxi or bus ride to the Mexican border with Cochise County. Then just cross there and meet your ride on Highway 92 near Palominas, AZ. Head North and have at it. Bush doesn't seem to care. DHS doesn't seem to care. The U.S. Department of Defense doesn't seem to care. Congress doesn't seem to care - especially our RINO Congressman Jim Kolbe. Why should anyone else care!? Go for it, terrorists! Your golden opportunity has been laying wide open for decades and nothing changed after 9/11. < /sarcasm >

[HiJinx]

I appreciate your concern, and you're not really wrong in your opinions...

Much of our problem is frustration over a lack of any appreciable response or progress over what is becoming, literally, a foreign invastion.

[archy]

We need you and the British SAS sniper that took out an Iraqi at 2700 meters

Canadian. And it was 2700 yards, not meters.

[TLI]

The Sheriff had to defend them to the press, and I don't think he much enjoyed it.

Perhaps you might suggest to the good Sheriff that if he spent time defending Americans by facing the mexican troops that are illegally entering u.S. territory alongside folks like Jack (which are the only ones DOING anything) instead of bravely "facing the press" then the good sheriff just might have a bit more stroke when commanding control of this issue.

Of course, that's just silly me, what would I know?

TLI

[HiJinx]

Oh, c'mon, man! Don't be so reticent...tell us what you really think!!!

OBTW, have you read Clancy's newest, The Teeth of the Tiger? You've just described part of his plot...except that they crossed in New Mexico instead of Arizona.

[Dr Warmoose]

And let them get away. Double dummies.

True. Dead men would tell tales in this case. If dead mexican soldiers were found DRT 200 meters into private US property, (extra points for the dead man's rifle to show recent firing), then it would be better than photos. We have classic self-defense and a potential international problem.

Of course the present Administration would still bring capital charges against the American citizens, even if they were brought in wounded from mexican gunfire. mexicans are more equal than US citizens.

[Dr Warmoose]

Why should anyone else care!

Actually, the ACLU and other Leftists would be there to hand out picnic lunches and AAA road maps.

[Choose Ye This Day]

Why wouldn't these border vigilantes have a video camera going at all times? If some soldado from Mexico is on our soil--firing weapon or not--I'd make dang sure I caught it on tape to show the world!

[ought-six]

The American citizens should have fired on the armed invaders, who were clearly a military force of a foregin nation. This kind of crap has been allowed to go unanswered for too long. This was an armed incursion onto our sovereign territory!

[Spiff]

Of course, that's just silly me, what would I know?

Sheriff Dever is doing as well as can be expected given the limitation placed upon him. He's got a pretty good relationship with most of the border watch groups and is trying to treat Foote's group carefully until he's convinced they are, in fact, a danger to others and themselves.

Dever does not have unlimited resources with which to patrol the border. He's got other crimes in the HUGE county to deal with too.

Dever does not have carte blanche from his bosses (the County) to run around doing Border Patrol's job. He does what he can do and would have surely responded to a 911 call about the Mexican Army troops if Foote actually did see them and had called to report it.

Dever has no qualms about calling Border Patrol if he or his deputies pull over someone who is obviously not supposed to be here.

Dever is a good conservative Republican. I know him and he is good people.

[Spiff]

Why wouldn't these border vigilantes have a video camera going at all times? If some soldado from Mexico is on our soil--firing weapon or not--I'd make dang sure I caught it on tape to show the world!

My guess is that it didn't happen and that's why they don't have pictures.

[Havoc]

They should have returned fire and called for the National gaurd and US military to intervene. 115 documented incursions.. Somebody isn't doin their job. And it's past time they were held to account.

[Poohbah]

Why wouldn't these border vigilantes have a video camera going at all times?

Given some of the activities of Jack Foote and Nethercutt...

They might not want a photographic record of what THEY were doing.

And the tape might not show what they're claiming happened.