Mexican Troops Fire on U.S. Border Watchers

www.newsmax.com ^ | Dec. 23, 2003 | Jon E. Dougherty

[JackelopeBreeder]

I have mixed feelings about Ranch Rescue. They mean well, they actually go out and do something, but that Rambo gig of theirs generates a lot of the wrong publicity.

[archy]

There are several problems with this story. I believe the Mexican Army uses a mix of US and NATO arms, not AKs and such. If the incident really happened, it was more likely to be cartel enforcers.

The Mexican army and police ARE the cartel enforcers. And I've seen dozens of AKs in Mexico, though more commonly in police hands than Army ones. The 7.62mm German G3 is most common, though FAL rifles in the same caliber and American Garands are also very common, as ar M16s of various models and AKs from various national manufacture.

[hattend]

Time to start carrying video cameras along with rifles.

Will CNN show Mexican troops firing on Americans over and over ala Rodney King?

[B4Ranch]

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[TLI]

Going to Capitol Hill, wanting budget money, and you only have "a few" AR-15's.....

Mister, have you gotten any results from your above mentioned activities? No.

Anybody flooding you with money to resolve this issue? No.

I don't know what you consider to be "a few" such weapons but 5-6 would be more than sufficient to handle most any small border incursion as an AR-15 has about a 30% to 40% edge on an AK, both in range and accuracy.

Even without that edge, 6 men, when properly deployed in response to such an incursion, would be able to easily resolve the issue, swiftly. Yet, when individuals possessing the correct training to provide direction in a deployment of this nature appear literally at your doorsteps, you turn them away. To me, this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Given the lack of any interest whatsoever from anyone that you have traditionally been going to for help on this issue, I suggest you rethink your reliance on this "help" in the future. Looks like you (figuratively speaking... you) will have to request help from where you CAN get it, from individuals that can resolve such issues. To stand around decrying "militia rejects" you guys might try having a bit of a discussion as to what can be accomplished.

It has been my experience (21 years worth) that the "militia rejects" that are referred to consist of approximately 1/3 LEO, 1/3 prior military (usually infantry), and about 1/3 highly educated and motivated individuals. If this is not good enough to get the job done, just say so, I can recommend, publicly or privately a more detailed course of response to your issues.

TLI

[JackelopeBreeder]

There was a recent report that the cartels had started hiring deserters over near Juarez. I'll see if I can find it again.

While I have my doubts about this story, I can still easily imagine a plausible scenario. Operation Pipeline just about shut down alien and drug traffic here in the Naco Corridor for a month. If the cartels stage a serious incident over near Douglas, it would drag Border Patrol assets in that direction and re-open the routes here.

I would bet there's a lot of herbs and spices and people stacking up on the other side of the border, especially since we haven't heard of increased traffic elsewhere. Today's official announcement that Operation Pipeline has ended will probably result in traffic through here returning to normal levels right after Christmas.

[archy]

Those look like FALs to me

I think you're right. I'm used to seeing the two-hole ventilated wood handguard of the Commonwealth L1A1 version rather than the Belgian/Argentine/Brazilian three-slot synthetic handguard.

[zerosix]

I believe that if and when goverment troops of another country fire on American citizens who are on American soil, that constitutes an Act of War.

[FITZ]

There was a recent report that the cartels had started hiring deserters over near Juarez. I'll see if I can find it again.

That's important to remember --- especially with Mexico --- not everyone wearing a particular uniform is supposed to be wearing that uniform. Anyone can put on a uniform for whatever purpose --- this sounds more like a drug smuggling ring rather than the official Mexican army. I know there are men dressed like Mexican army and probably actual army all along the border.

[FITZ]

I would suspect (naively?) that the Army would show some restraint in firing up Americans, whereas the cartel wouldn't.

The Mexican drug cartels have way too much power ---- and they would gladly kill any American getting in the way of their "deliveries". Someday there will be a border war and it could be very ugly.

[flamefront]

Perhaps. But the denial of oil for the war in Iraq by Mexico pretty much put them down as part of the axis of evil.

ACT OF WAR - any act occurring in the course of declared war; armed conflict, whether or not war has been declared, between two or more nations; or armed conflict between military forces of any origin. 18 U.S.C.

[Pelham]

Any bets on which side Bush/Rove supports?

[judicial meanz]

Concentrating on one particular point in this article, why are Mexican troops armed with Ak's and RPK's?

Soviet/Chinese weaponry in the Mexican Army? I thought they had American surplus M-16's, but I could be out of date on my information.

The AK-RPK angle, if it is correctly reported, is significant.

[Shamrock-DW]

"There are several problems with this story. I believe the Mexican Army uses a mix of US and NATO arms, not AKs and such. If the incident really happened, it was more likely to be cartel enforcers."

So what is the problem?  Does this mean the U.S. Government is STILL not doing its job?  Who cares if it is the Mexican Military or cartel enforcers?   It is illegal and should be stopped by our government. 

You slackers who want to put the blame on citizens in the area should get a life and search for the answer as to why the FEDs aren't protecting our borders.  If the federal government won't step in and do what is right by its citizens then it is up to the  citizens to enforce the law....or else change the government.

 

[PRND21]

What of it, slacker? ;)

[SCalGal]

If the federal government won't step in and do what is right by its citizens then it is up to the citizens to enforce the law....or else change the government.

Jackelope Breeder is one of those citizens who is doing something.

[Ajnin]

I have dealt with the Mexican miltary and Feds on numerous occasions during the 6 plus years I have been patrolling the border, and I have never seen them with AK's or RPK's. G-3's and other western equipment yes. Of course that doesn't mean they don't have them. I've just never seen them.

[Dr. Marten]

excellent POST!!

The US media does not give attention to such events so
e-mail it to everyone you know!

[Richard-SIA]

It was "becoming" a foreign invasion about twenty years ago.

It has BEEN a full fledged invasion for over fifteen years.

It is no wonder we cannot stem the flow of terrorist into Iraq, we cannot even protect our own borders, where we at least have a "home field" advantage.

Our military should patrol our border, if only for the training opportunity.

[GetUsOutOfTheUnitedNations]

Don't forget North Carolina, we are overrun with mexicans.