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Prosecutors Can Examine Limbaugh Records
Yahoo/AP ^

Posted on 12/23/2003 7:42:00 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Prosecutors can examine Rush Limbaugh's medical records to determine whether he should be charged with "doctor shopping" for prescription painkillers, a judge ruled on Tuesday.

Palm Beach Circuit Judge Jeffrey A. Winikoff denied the conservative commentator's request to keep the records sealed.

Limbaugh's attorneys had argued that the seizure of the records from doctors in Florida and California violated the radio host's privacy. Investigators obtained the records last month after discovering that Limbaugh received more than 2,000 painkillers, prescribed by four doctors, at a pharmacy near his $24 million Palm Beach mansion.

Doctor shopping refers to looking for a doctor willing to prescribe drugs illegally, or getting prescriptions for a single drug from more than one doctor at the same time.

The Palm Beach County State Attorney's Office began investigating Limbaugh last year, after his former maid told them she had been supplying him prescription painkillers for years.

Limbaugh recently admitted his addiction, stemming from severe back pain, and took a five-week leave from his afternoon radio show to enter a rehabilitation program.


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KEYWORDS: donttouchrush; dopedfuzzball; hipaa; junkie; limbaugh; lovablefuzzbal; lovablefuzzball; lyingfuzzball; medicalrecords; rush; rushisgod; rushlimbaugh
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To: Peach
Rush is hated by millions and loved by millions like me.
A Joe sixpack they would never charge.
321 posted on 12/23/2003 4:14:09 PM PST by Big Horn (A waist is a terrible thing to mind.)
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To: snopercod
After this reply, snopercod, we should probably switch this to private replies, as we may be the only two interested in some of these details.

What caused me to write first was your statement:

That law specifically says that a doctor or hospital must release your medical records in response to an "administrative request" by a law-enforcement agency. No warrant required. A phone call by a secretary will suffice.

I disagreed and you cited 42 CFR 164.510(f) as proof. I still disagreed and you responded:

I guess the plain English of the law means something different in your world than it does to us mere citizens.

I think from your reference to "mere citizens" that I offended you by suggesting that I could interpret the regulations better because I was an attorney. I didn't mean to offend you and I apologize. In my world, there are no such things as "mere citizen," despite the prevailing liberal concepts of themself as royalty. In this case, I didn't write HIPAA, but I know that you have to read the entire set of regulations (and, sadly enough, the commentary contained in the Federal Register) to interpret them.

For example, the subsection of 164.512 you cite has to be read in conjunction with the very first paragraph of 164.512, which says that the covered entity MAY disclose information. It doesn't say MUST. The 164.512 disclosures are referred to throughout the government's commentary as the "permitted" disclosures.

Second, the section you cite permits disclosures to a "law enforcement official." That term is defined in 164.501 and does not include a secretary UNLESS there's some statute outside of HIPAA that empowers him or her to conduct the investigation or to prosecute it.

Third, HIPAA contains a "minimum necessary" provision that would apply to limit the information that HIPAA would permit the District Attorney to obtain.

All I'm saying is HIPAA does not give law enforcement officials the right to waltz in and take your medical records, and a phone call by a secretary does not give them the right to the records.

Of major regulations published in the last several years, HIPAA is one of the best at promoting the idea of federalism. HIPAA's pre-emption provisions provide that if a state's law is more restrictive (i.e., protects an individual's right to privacy in his or her protected health information), then the state law trumps HIPAA. HIPAA is a floor on medical records privacy, not a ceiling.

As to your last comment, the fact the officials walked in and demanded records does not mean that HIPAA gave them the right to do that. HIPAA may be a pain in the rear in many respects, but if state law limits law enforcement access to documents more than HIPAA, then state law prevails.

HIPAA is Big Brother in many respects, but increasing law enforcement access to records isn't one of them.

What is curious is that HIPAA provides generally that, if a state's laws permit access to protected health information, then HIPAA will permit it (164.512(a)). However, there are a couple of exceptions -- and one is for law enforcement. To get the support of certain key Democrats (Conyers and the like), who were not trusting of law enforcement treating minorities correctly, HIPAA 164.512(a)(2) provides that you have to meet at least the requirements of HIPAA for law enforcement disclosures -- states can't give law enforcement greater rights to your protected health information than HIPAA.

160.203 says that state law, not HIPAA, prevails when "[t]he provision of State law relates to the privacy of health information and is more stringent than a standard, requirement, or implementation specification adopted under [HIPAA]." Federalism in action -- if the state law is more protective of privacy, then it trumps HIPAA>

322 posted on 12/23/2003 4:18:53 PM PST by Scoutmaster
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To: madison10
Anyway...Rush was right in his explanation. If he was a sports or Hollywood celeb they would have given him a pass.

They wouldn't give him a pass if he were a non-celebrity citizen -- so unless he subscribes to a two-tier justice system, the point is irrelevant.

323 posted on 12/23/2003 4:39:47 PM PST by ellery
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To: ellery
The would have done the same thing they did with all the user clients of the maid and her pharmacy contact's clients, nothing.
324 posted on 12/23/2003 4:46:55 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: longtermmemmory
Unfortunately, ordinary citizens who get addicted to drugs initially b/c of a medical problem get arrested in Florida. A quick google turned up these two recent references from Florida -- this, from by no means a comprehensive search.

In addition, Sheriff’s detectives arrest 28 St. Lucie County residents on prescription fraud, “doctorshopping” and other drug-related offenses.
http://www.stluciesheriff.com/annual-report/2001/ar_2001_11-15.pdf

In July, 24 people were arrested as part of a drug sting in St. Lucie County, where law enforcement and pharmacies cooperated to disrupt an informal distribution network. Most of the 24 who were arrested were once legitimately ill or disabled and living off Social Security or veteran’s benefits that enabled them to get prescriptions
FDLE Office of Statewide Intelligence Prescription Drug Abuse – August 2001
http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:NiC8jgWB6LcJ:www.fdle.state.fl.us/OSI/CrimeBriefs/RxAbuse.pdf+oxycontin+arrest+statistics&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
325 posted on 12/23/2003 4:58:04 PM PST by ellery
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To: So Cal Rocket
"First amendment right to free speech - GONE with the SCOTUS ruling that CFR is constitutional. "

No, actually that one is lost due to Congress passing the bill and W signing it. Do you not blame them?

The SCOTUS merely kept their mouth shut.

326 posted on 12/23/2003 4:58:40 PM PST by mbraynard (Canadian Politics Afficianado)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Is hipaa concerned with (electronic form only) what a health
care provider/organization...
1 can't do, prohibited listing
2 can't do, except as provided
3 must do
4 allowed to do (w / listing of circumstances) , essentialy
a lawsuit shield
.
has a federal court interpreted hipaa to be a restraint
on state law enforcement, after the info is in the hands of the state? (I want to add that I assume that law enforcement of the State of Fla. would know Fla. law, and I
expect state appellate court will uphold the state trial court, and that this, after (if)conviction, is headed to federal appellate court, any comments?)


327 posted on 12/23/2003 5:03:13 PM PST by greasepaint
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To: Libertarian Billy Graham
Nice Adams quote. And I should have been more clear. If this case is taken to court, the lawyers will present their arguments, but of course it is ultimately up to the jury to decide the outcome. Frankly, I'd be surprised if this case makes it that far.
328 posted on 12/23/2003 5:06:37 PM PST by k2blader (I will shake the nations, and the desired of all nations will come. - Haggai 2:7 -)
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To: Hacksaw
Gee, Hack, and you're usually such a staunch law and order type of guy. Why aren't you calling for Limbaugh's head? Idiot.
329 posted on 12/23/2003 5:11:12 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: Egregious Philbin
Witchhunt? Rush had his maid commit illegal acts for him - where's the witchhunt?

The same place the witchhunt was when Bill Clinton was committing perjury, suborning perjury, etc....

A crime is a crime and not a witchhunt. (So you won't complain if the maid goes to prison for bribery?) However, medical records are always kept private, or so I thought. DNA is not private, but everything else is. If Rush is an exception to that rule because of his politics, then it's a witchhunt.

Were prosecutors allowed to see Bill Clinton's medical records?

Getting addicted to prescription painkillers is more common than lying about sex. If Rush committed a crime then he will pay -- more than Bill Clinton paid for far more serious crimes. But he should not face an unfair judicial procress, nor should he be treated as though these were illegal drugs. He became addicted through no fault of his own. It is EASY to get addicted to these drugs. What he did from that point on might bring sad but just consequences. Still, the hypocrisy of Democrats is astounding.

330 posted on 12/23/2003 5:11:53 PM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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To: PeyersPatches
He hasn't whined at all. He made it quite clear, to those thinking above room temp, that he can't entirely speak his mind, and the reason(s) why, as if that needed brought out. I think you should tune into Rush and not Imus.

Rush needs to take a lesson from Imus, who readily admits that he was a druggie and has done some bad things, takes FULL consequences for his actions and doesn't make any excuses or blame anyone for anything other than himself. He's also not afraid to interview people and ask tough questions, which Rush rarely does because we might figure out that Rush with half his brain tied behind his back isn't the brightest bulb in the socket.

331 posted on 12/23/2003 5:44:24 PM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: madison10
If he was a sports or Hollywood celeb they would have given him a pass.

Like Morton Downey and Derryl Strawberry.

332 posted on 12/23/2003 5:45:58 PM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos
Rush needs to take a lesson from Imus, who readily admits that he was a druggie and has done some bad things, takes FULL consequences for his actions and doesn't make any excuses or blame anyone for anything other than himself. He's also not afraid to interview people and ask tough questions, which Rush rarely does because we might figure out that Rush with half his brain tied behind his back isn't the brightest bulb in the socket.



LOL now that's funny! You're fairly desperate when you have to defend Imus as a round-about to attack Rush. Scoot over to DU with that diaperful. Surely you can find someone else to obsess over. Rush Limbaugh, like him or not, is the most powerful ally the conservatives have; hence attacks from liberals or other disgrunted sops.
333 posted on 12/23/2003 6:30:06 PM PST by PeyersPatches
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To: Labyrinthos
Excuse me .. do you ever listen to Rush ..?? Your statement is so off the wall, I'm stunned. Rush has already admitted to being adicted to pain killers. Rush has already taken responsibility for his actions. Where have you been .. listening to Al Franken .. I would guess.

As for Rush not being the brightest bulb .. that's a crude and stupid statement about a really smart guy. The prosecutor of this case is one of Janet Reno's goons (which means he's also one of Clinton's goons) .. and tonight the Clinton goon (Coffey) was all over the TV trying to make it look like Rush was guilty. So far .. Rush hasn't even been charged with anything. The prosecutors wanted to see his personal medical records SO THEY CAN FIND SOMETHING .. what is that ..?? Certainly not what the law calls for, which the prosecutors will find out when this case hits the next level of courts.

This is nothing more than payback for all the TRUTH Rush delivers about what the Clintons and their criminal enterprise have done and continue to do to America.
334 posted on 12/23/2003 6:31:55 PM PST by CyberAnt (America is the greatest force for good on the planet ..!!)
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To: Alberta's Child
If I were a medical professional, I would advertise my services by highlighting the fact that I would never release a patient's medical records to a law enforcement agency or court. When the baliff came to deliver a subpoena for someone's medical records, my response would always be the same: "I don't keep records for any of my patients."

the other way to do this is to go on the all cash plan for medical treatment you can afford. An assumed name to a doc for minor ailments, real name for another doctor for major problems. Just don't confuse your doctors!!

335 posted on 12/23/2003 6:39:16 PM PST by GetUsOutOfTheUnitedNations (I call them as I see them)
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To: MississippiMan
Or hey, try to find out if ANYONE has EVER been prosecuted for doctor shopping in Palm Beach.

It is a new law, just adopted in 2002.

336 posted on 12/23/2003 6:56:38 PM PST by Looking for Diogenes
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To: Alberta's Child
... "I don't keep records for any of my patients."

I don't know what the law or practice is in your part of the world, but in California the medical board will suspend your license if you don't keep proper records. It is a part of the professional responsibility

337 posted on 12/23/2003 7:02:05 PM PST by Looking for Diogenes
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To: Looking for Diogenes
Then I'll keep proper records . . .

I never treated Rush Limbaugh, and I have no idea who he is. But for some reason this guy named Patient #3281172 looks a lot like him. If you have any interest in arresting this kind of patient, he's going to get away very easily unless you slip the handcuffs through the loops of the "8".

338 posted on 12/23/2003 7:08:29 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE North strong and free.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Maybe it's just as well that you are not a medical professional. :)
339 posted on 12/23/2003 7:17:14 PM PST by Looking for Diogenes
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To: Solson
"Which is exactly what Roy Black is now wishing for. One leak, minor or major, by the prosecutor's office will unleash a torrent ..."

... and if Black decides to send a few pages in a plain brown wrapper to the Enquirer...?
340 posted on 12/23/2003 7:19:23 PM PST by RS
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