You can't go without a fag. You need it for your hash."

Addiction ^ | Jan 2004 | Amanda Amos, Susan Wiltshire, Yvonne Bostock, Sally Haw & Ann McNeill

[qam1]

A qualitative exploration of smoking, cannabis and young people

Aims: To examine the relationship between smoking tobacco and cannabis use among smokers in their mid-to-late teens.

Design and participants: Two qualitative studies in Scotland. One study used semistructured paired interviews involving 99 16-19-year-old smokers, the other comprised eight focus groups involving 46 15-16-year-old smokers.

Measurement: The interviews and focus groups explored the role and meaning of smoking in the participants' lives, smoking histories and future cessation intentions and how these related to other aspects of their lives, particularly cannabis use.

Findings: Cannabis use was regarded as an important and enjoyable aspect of many of the participants' lives. Importantly, cannabis use and cigarette smoking were linked inextricably. Several reported how smoking joints had been a 'gateway' to smoking cigarettes. While most wanted to quit smoking cigarettes, cannabis use reinforced their cigarette smoking and few wanted to stop using cannabis.

Conclusion: National studies need to be conducted to examine how widespread the problem identified is and tobacco control initiatives and smoking cessation treatment services need to consider urgently how to overcome the barrier that a desire on the part of young people to continue cannabis smoking poses to achieving a reduction in tobacco use.

[Hillary's Folly]

I did answer the question. I wouldn't use either Doctor.

Now answer my question. Have you ever smoke both on a regular basis?

[tacticalogic]

"Psychoactive" means "mind altering".

[Dane]

I did answer the question. I wouldn't use either Doctor

LOL!!!!! You are a card in parsing. Bill Clinton is very proud of at this moment, IMO.

[tacticalogic]

Now that's a hoot. A lecture from Dane about not answering questions.

[Hillary's Folly]

I am not parsing, I am answering a ludicrous question with a lucid response. In this country, I am still free to choose my own doctor, and in my previous post I stated clearly how, in reality, I choose my doctor. That is your answer.

But the point you keep avoiding, which is the point of my original statement, is that in my opinion based on my experience, cigs are worse than pot on THE USER.

[Hillary's Folly]

Now that's a hoot. A lecture from Dane about not answering questions.

And Dane still has not answered my question: Has he/she ever used both on a regular basis?

[robertpaulsen]

"Marijuana Crack cocaine on the other hand gives one the high they desire quickly and with much less smoking. There is less inhaling of smoke, done less frequently, and if acquired from a "knowable" source, there are no chemical additives doing even more physical harm."

So, crack cocaine is safer than cigarettes? By that reasoning, injectable heroin would be one of the "safest" drugs out there.

FYI, ounce per ounce, marijuana is more dangerous than cigarettes.

[Dane]

Now answer my question. Have you ever smoke both on a regular basis?

I was a pot smoker in the late 70's and early 80's(In 1980 actually debated for Libertarain presidential candidate Ed Clarke in high school, since he was a pro-potter, then I grew up). Tried cigarettes, never a regular user, maybe bought 1 or 2 packs of cigarettes in my life. Bought cartons of them for my Mom, she finally quit around 87 or so.

Anyway, if I had the choice and it was an emergency, I would rather have the CEO of Phillip Morris do emergency surgery on me than Tommy Chong.

[tacticalogic]

You're at the tail end of a long line.

[thoughtomator]

Oh this one is simple to figure out. All the kids who smoked pot took up cigarettes because the smell was worse than, and concealed, the smell of pot.

Thus, stupid drug war tricks lead directly to kids smoking cigarettes.

[R. Scott]

I think the true gateway drug is milk. Nearly 100% of people who go on to cigarettes, pot, alcohol etc. started with milk.
Think I can get a government grant?

[R. Scott]

Cigarettes are harder to quit than pot. I’ve even known people who quit cigarettes by lighting a joint every time they wanted a cigarette. That helped them get off nicotine. Quitting pot was relatively easy.
I outgrew pot, but haven’t yet outgrown tobacco.

[tacticalogic]

FYI, ounce per ounce, marijuana is more dangerous than cigarettes.

And ounce per ounce, aspirin is more dangerous than marijuana, but I don't think anyone will notice the illogic in your argument.

[Hillary's Folly]

So, crack cocaine is safer than cigarettes? By that reasoning, injectable heroin would be one of the "safest" drugs out there. No, one cannot argue crack and heroin on the same bases as tobacco and marijuana because the former are a processed derivative of the original plant, cocoa and poppies, with highly (no pun intended) addictive qualities. Now if you want to argue using those plants in their God given form, that's another issue.

And that is basically where I come from. God put all of these plants on the earth for us to use. And as with all things man does, sometime we use good things for bad purposes. Tobacco, marijuana, cocoa, and poppies, in their natural form are not, IMHO, bad things. A pure tobacco cigar or a pure marijuana cigarette are not something that should be outlawed, nor should the cocoa plant or the poppy. But a manufactured tobacco cigarette is not pure tobacco, and as such has more in common with crack than does a pure marijuana cigarette.

[Dane]

I think the true gateway drug is milk.

Oh sheesh, I am surprised you didn't use the old tired Libertarian cliche of DiHydrogen Oxide(water, H20).

Sheesh you Libertarians could make Hillary blush, IMO, with your lack of common sense sometimes.

[robertpaulsen]

So, to you, they're all equivalent? That's why you brought it up?

[robertpaulsen]

You lecturing me on illogic? That's rich.

[tacticalogic]

Anyway, if I had the choice and it was an emergency, I would rather have the CEO of Phillip Morris do emergency surgery on me than Tommy Chong.

Nothing like a "real world" scenario to drive a point home.

[tacticalogic]

You lecturing me on illogic? That's rich.

ROFLMAO! No, in your case, it's more like mallogic.

[Hillary's Folly]

Tried cigarettes, never a regular user

Well thanks for the answer, and in the spirit of Drug War detente, I will you give you an answer to your imaginary hypothetical.

If I were stuck on a desert island and had to have surgery performed by one of only two doctors on this island, and one of them just smoked a cig and the other a joint, I would choose the one who smoked the joint because he had the good sense to smoke something that made him feel better not worse.