You can't go without a fag. You need it for your hash."

Addiction ^ | Jan 2004 | Amanda Amos, Susan Wiltshire, Yvonne Bostock, Sally Haw & Ann McNeill

[qam1]

A qualitative exploration of smoking, cannabis and young people

Aims: To examine the relationship between smoking tobacco and cannabis use among smokers in their mid-to-late teens.

Design and participants: Two qualitative studies in Scotland. One study used semistructured paired interviews involving 99 16-19-year-old smokers, the other comprised eight focus groups involving 46 15-16-year-old smokers.

Measurement: The interviews and focus groups explored the role and meaning of smoking in the participants' lives, smoking histories and future cessation intentions and how these related to other aspects of their lives, particularly cannabis use.

Findings: Cannabis use was regarded as an important and enjoyable aspect of many of the participants' lives. Importantly, cannabis use and cigarette smoking were linked inextricably. Several reported how smoking joints had been a 'gateway' to smoking cigarettes. While most wanted to quit smoking cigarettes, cannabis use reinforced their cigarette smoking and few wanted to stop using cannabis.

Conclusion: National studies need to be conducted to examine how widespread the problem identified is and tobacco control initiatives and smoking cessation treatment services need to consider urgently how to overcome the barrier that a desire on the part of young people to continue cannabis smoking poses to achieving a reduction in tobacco use.

[StriperSniper]

LOL! BUMP!

[Hillary's Folly]

First of all, my post should have said "Anyone WHO'S smoked both..." must be the lack of caffeine.

A question, who would rather have do surgery on you. A doctor who just smoked a cigarette or a doctor who had just smoked a joint?

A red herring, but I'll bite. I wouldn't have a doctor who smoked cigarettes, period. Why would I entrust my health to someone who has such little regard for their own? Secondly, I'll see your red herring and raise you one: I'd rather have surgery done on me by a doctor who's smoked a joint than one who'd just drank a pint of bourbon, or popped a view opiates, or voted for Ross Perot.

But the question is a moot and silly one because my choice in a doctor is always made on his professional and personal discipline and character, which rules out anyone who smokes cigarettes and anyone who uses drugs or alcohol on the job.

[Dane]

Nicotine and THC are both classified as psychoactive drugs. The surgeon issue is a red herring

Please tell me how your operation on your appendics done by Tommy Chong went.

Whoops wait a minute, you may not be around to tell me.

[2nd Amendment]

Has anyone seen a movie called "Rustler's Rhapsody" where they threw fags on the fire?

[TheOtherOne]

I understand that, but one of the best guitarists there is, Ted Nugent, is anti-pot, so that stereotype isn't true either.

Just think how much better he could be....

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

LOL thats Funny i started smoking cigs before i smoked pot i smoked pot for about six years off and on like on weekends and partys i havent touched it now in over 16 years and i still smoke cigs!

[bvw]

Pack up your troubles in your old kitbag.

Composed by Felix Powell; Words by George Asaf
Published by Chappell & Co., Ltd., 41 East 34th Street, New York (1915)

Private perks is a funny little codger
With a smile,a funny smile
Five foot none, He´s an artful dodger
With a smile, a funny smile
Flush or broke, he´ll have his little joke
he can´t be suppressed.
All the other fellows have to grin,
When he get´s this off his chest, Hi!

Pack up your troubles in your old kit bag
and smile, smile, smile!
While you´ve got a lucifer to light your fag
Smile, boys, that´s the style!
What´s the use worrying?
It never was worth while
So, pack up your troubles in your old kit bag
and smile, smile, smile!

Private Perks went a-marching into Flanders
with a smile, his funny smile.
He was loved by the privates and commanders
for his smile, his funny smile
When a throng af "Bosches" came along
with an mighty swing
Perks yelled out "This little bunch is mine!
Keep your heads down, boys, and sing!, Hi

Pack up your troubles in your old kit bag
and smile, smile, smile!
While you´ve got a lucifer to light your fag
Smile, boys, that´s the style!
What´s the use worrying?
It never was worth while
So, pack up your troubles in your old kit bag
and smile, smile, smile!

Private Perks, he came back from Bosche shooting
with his smile, his funny smile.
Round his home he then set about recruiting
With his smile, his funny smile.
He told all his pals, the short and the tall
What a time he´d had
And eached enlisted like a man
Private Perks said "Now my lad" Hi!

Pack up your troubles in your old kit bag
and smile, smile, smile!
While you´ve got a lucifer to light your fag
Smile, boys, that´s the style!
What´s the use worrying?
It never was worth while
So, pack up your troubles in your old kit bag
and smile, smile, smile!

Source: http://www.westfront.de/packup.htm

[Dane]

A red herring, but I'll bite. I wouldn't have a doctor who smoked cigarettes, period. Why would I entrust my health to someone who has such little regard for their own? Secondly, I'll see your red herring and raise you one: I'd rather have surgery done on me by a doctor who's smoked a joint than one who'd just drank a pint of bourbon, or popped a view opiates, or voted for Ross Perot

You brought up the red herring, blanketly stating that tobacco was more dangerous than pot.

I then asked you a question in my reply #16, and you bring up another red herring. You must like herring. Are you Scandanavian?

[tacticalogic]

HF blanketly stated that tobacco was more dangerous than pot, which isn't true, but is dogma to modern day Liberals and Libertarians.

I'll invite anyone who doesn't know already to check into the anti-tobacco groups and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, then check their stance on marijuana, and see for themselves.

[Dane]

I'll invite anyone who doesn't know already to check into the anti-tobacco groups and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, then check their stance on marijuana, and see for themselves.

Huh? The original question was who would rather have do surgery on you, a Doctor who had just smoked a cigarette, or a Doctor who had just smoked a joint.

It is amazing how you try to avoid the question.

My answer with no qualms at all, the Doctor who had just smoked a cigarette.

[tacticalogic]

Please tell me how your operation on your appendics done by Tommy Chong went.

Still red, still herring.

[tacticalogic]

The original question was who would rather have do surgery on you, a Doctor who had just smoked a cigarette, or a Doctor who had just smoked a joint.

That was your question, and we're not chasing your red herring, in case you haven't noticed.

[Happy2BMe]

LoL!

No FAGS for me either, bud!

I have ZERO tolerance for fags.

[Trampled by Lambs]

A question, who would rather have do surgery on you. A doctor who just smoked a cigarette or a doctor who had just smoked a joint?

The cig smoking Dr. for me, please. However, I would have no qualms about being operated on by a dr. that occasionally smoked pot on his off time just as I would not be afraid of a dr. that imbibed alchohol occasionally.

Would you allow a dr. that has just had 3 martinis to operate on you? No? Same deal with pot only to a lesser degree, IMO (I'd trust a stoned dr. over a drunk one but in reality would not trust either..).

[Dane]

That was your question, and we're not chasing your red herring, in case you haven't noticed

In words used in the real world, you don't want to answer the queastion, since you know the obvious answer, that a surgeon who has just smoked a cigarette is much more preferable than a surgeon who had just smoked a joint.

Damn those facts from the real world that intrude into your utopia, you are probably cursing at this moment.

[metesky]

I see you've gone back to the metesky 401-K plan!

And believe me, at this time o' year my assets are piling up rapidly!
;O)

A very Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous New Year to you and yours, my FRiend.

One head, one pike!

[Dane]

Would you allow a dr. that has just had 3 martinis to operate on you? No? Same deal with pot only to a lesser degree, IMO (I'd trust a stoned dr. over a drunk one but in reality would not trust either..)

I wouldn't want to have a surgeon operate on me who just had a three martini lunch either, but that isn't the point.

Way back in reply #14 of this thread, HF, blanketly stated that tobacco is more dangerous than pot, and I gave her a scenario where it wasn't, and all I have been getting from the pro-potters on this thread is obfuscation from basic common sense.

[Hillary's Folly]

You brought up the red herring, blanketly stating that tobacco was more dangerous than pot.

What I actually said was, "Anyone who's smoked both knows the cig IS worse than the pot."

You wrote: I ain't saying that tobacco is benign. What I am saying is that marijuana is mind altering, while tobacco isn't.

And this has always been one of my primary arguments for why cigs are worse than pot. Why do people smoke cigs? I suppose it's different reasons, but it does give one a high, albeit very temporary. It also gives one a physical addiction that requires more and more cigs used more frequently but denying the user a "quality" high.

Marijuana on the other hand gives one the high they desire quickly and with much less smoking. There is less inhaling of smoke, done less frequently, and if acquired from a "knowable" source, there are no chemical additives doing even more physical harm. So again, as one who in the past used both, the cigs were much worse than the joints. Have you ever smoked both on a regular basis?

[robertpaulsen]

"Nicotine and THC are both classified as psychoactive drugs."

Is that supposed to be significant? Caffeine is the most popular psychoactive drug.

Dane's point is that marijuana is a mind-altering drug, which places it in a different class than nicotine. The fact that they're both psychoactive drugs doesn't mean squat.

[Dane]

And answer the question, who would you rather have operate on you, a surgeon who had just smoked a cigarette, or one who had just smoked a joint.

It's an easy question. I gave my answer, the surgeon who just smoked a cigarette, based on my life experiences.