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Libya Seeks Reward for Scrapping Banned Weapons
Reuters via Yahoo! ^ | Saturday, December 20, 2003 | By Salah Sarrar

Posted on 12/20/2003 8:13:08 AM PST by Momaw Nadon

TRIPOLI (Reuters) - Libya made clear on Saturday it wanted to come in from the cold after decades as a pariah state, and the United States and Britain promised to reward its decision to abandon banned weapons programs.

Almost 15 years to the day since its agents brought down a Pan Am airliner over Lockerbie, Muammar Gaddafi's state opened the prospect of an end to sanctions and a return of U.S. oil firms with a pledge on Friday to stop seeking weapons of mass destruction. Britain said it had been close to an atomic bomb.

Some U.S. officials cautioned that Libya's move, the culmination of secret negotiations launched around the start of the U.S.-led Iraq war and announced less than a week after U.S. forces captured ousted dictator Saddam Hussein, still left it too early to say when, or if, Washington will lift sanctions.

Britain suggested Saddam's fate could have been different if he had cooperated. President Bush, who also accuses Iran and North Korea of seeking nuclear arms, said he hoped other leaders would follow the example of Gaddafi, a man once described by one of Bush's predecessors as a "mad dog."

European critics of the invasion of Iraq remarked pointedly that it showed peaceful diplomacy could bring about disarmament.

"Libya wants to solve all problems and we want to focus on development and advancing our country. This (weapons) program does not benefit our people or country," Foreign Minister Mohamed Abderrhmane Chalgam told Al-Jazeera television.

"We want to have ties with America and Britain because this is in the interest of our people," Chalgam said in the first televised comments by a top Libyan official on Tripoli's move.

PRAISE FOR GADDAFI

The announcement came ahead of Sunday's anniversary of the Christmas 1988 bombing of Pan Am flight 103 over Scotland that killed 270 people. British relatives of the victims welcomed the news that dialogue had brought disarmament, Tripoli's second dramatic step this year to rejoin the international community.

Libya was freed of broader U.N. sanctions this year after accepting responsibility for the Lockerbie bombing and paying billions to victims' families. Washington left its sanctions in place, alleging Tripoli sought biological and chemical weapons.

"We want to defend our peoples' interests," Chalgam said.

U.S. warplanes bombed Tripoli in 1986 after the bombing of a West Berlin nightclub frequented by American soldiers. Gaddafi's home was hit in the U.S. attack and his adopted daughter killed.

Washington bans most economic activity and bars visits to Libya using U.S. passports without U.S. government permission.

British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw praised Gaddafi, labeled a "mad dog" by U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

"He needs to be applauded in unqualified terms for what he has done. I believe it is very statesmanlike and courageous," Straw told BBC radio on Saturday.

"If Saddam had come to us a year ago or more...then the situation in Iraq would have been a very different one."

Gaddafi's son, Saif al-Islam, played down any link with Iraq in the timing of Libya's negotiations. "We started the cooperation before even the invasion of Iraq," he told CNN.

But he added: "It's a critical deal for Libya, because first of all we will get access to defensive weapons and no sanctions on Libyan arms imports any more. We will get access to the know-how and technology in sectors which were banned."

France welcomed the move but Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin urged Libya to "implement without delay" compensation for families of victims of a 1989 bombing of a French airliner.

BUSH, BLAIR DELIGHTED

U.S. officials said Libya's nuclear program was "much further advanced" than thought and it acknowledged cooperating with North Korea to develop long-range Scud missiles.

Libya said its move showed commitment to "building a world free of weapons of mass destruction and all sorts of terrorism."

Bush immediately praised Libya, saying: "Its good faith will be returned." He also said the United States and Britain would work to ensure Tripoli lived up to its commitments.

"Today's announcement shows that we can fight this menace through more than purely military means; that we can defeat it peacefully, if countries are prepared in good faith to work with the international community to dismantle such weapons," said British Prime Minister Tony Blair, a staunch U.S. ally.

Bush added: "I hope that other leaders will find an example in Libya's announcement today."

A senior U.S. official cautioned: "We are at the start. The Libyans want to work with the United States, but we take it one step at a time... We're not at the point of discussing how this affects the sanctions regime."

Lifting sanctions could allow U.S. oil companies back into Libya, where they once produced more than one million barrels per day (bpd) and where oil facilities could reach two million bpd within five years, the U.S. Energy Department says.

U.S. sanctions dating from 1982 and strengthened in 1986, ban the import of Libyan crude oil, as well as direct trade and commercial contracts, and keep U.S. firms out of Libya. U.S. companies Marathon, Amerada Hess and ConocoPhillips have extensive assets in the North African state, frozen in 1986.

A U.S. official said Libya approached the United States and Britain in mid-March and this led to visits to weapons sites in October and early December by U.S. and British teams.

(Additional reporting by Heba Kandil in Dubai and Bernard Woodall in New York)


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1 posted on 12/20/2003 8:13:09 AM PST by Momaw Nadon
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To: Momaw Nadon
OK, the reward is that we do not nuke Tripoli.
2 posted on 12/20/2003 8:14:00 AM PST by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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To: Momaw Nadon
The reward is that we won't stand you up in chains to do the perp-walk to a trial as a WAR Criminal by the Libyan people.
3 posted on 12/20/2003 8:22:51 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Momaw Nadon
European critics of the invasion of Iraq remarked pointedly that it showed peaceful diplomacy could bring about disarmament.

Wrong euroweenies! It shows what our military can inspire in a tinhorn dictator's view of the future. He saw what went down in Afghanistan and Iraq. No doubt about it.

4 posted on 12/20/2003 8:24:47 AM PST by Aeronaut (In my humble opinion, the new expression for backing down from a fight should be called 'frenching')
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To: Aeronaut
Nothin' like seeing your friend dragged up by his breard out of a stinking hole in the dirt to bring clarity to a dictator's vision of his possible future.
5 posted on 12/20/2003 8:34:04 AM PST by cartoonistx
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To: Momaw Nadon
Libya has apparently decided to come clean. As such, when this is verified, we should definitely lift sanctions. There is no reason for them, and good and civilized behavior should be rewarded.

This is a remarkable development, and one we would like to see repeated elsewhere.

6 posted on 12/20/2003 8:39:34 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Momaw Nadon; farmfriend; Grampa Dave; Carry_Okie; BOBTHENAILER
Lifting sanctions could allow U.S. oil companies back into Libya, where they once produced more than one million barrels per day (bpd) and where oil facilities could reach two million bpd within five years, the U.S. Energy Department says.

U.S. sanctions dating from 1982 and strengthened in 1986, ban the import of Libyan crude oil, as well as direct trade and commercial contracts, and keep U.S. firms out of Libya. U.S. companies Marathon, Amerada Hess and ConocoPhillips have extensive assets in the North African state, frozen in 1986."

What's it all about... Alphie?

Some of you may be upset and thinking that it is disgusting that in view of Lockerbie, that this turned out to be "All About Oil!"

Maybe it is... And maybe it aint. My point is that if you're upset in thinking about it this way, do NOT forget that the US EnvironMental Communutty and the Senators they control on the eastern seaboard will NOT allow new drilling on the barren north slope of Alaska!

Even if that is NOT the entire motivation involved here, it plays a major role.

And if you think, like so many liberals, that our government is automatically evil in pursuit of ANY advantageous position to acquire oil, then you are discounting the source of freedoms of many aspects of our society, such as the freedom to move about economically and freely.

This is pretty much true, even if one should happen to totally discount the idea that Libya was on the verg of becoming the second Muslim Nuclear Power, IMO.

However, I too am cautious! All we have so far is a "pledge!" A pledge from a second Arab leader who has crawled out of his hole, saying "I want to negotiate!"

Negotiation with these "madmen" is intensely risky business. It's nothing like the "negotiating" Reagan was able to do with Gorby & Gang! The Arab mind negotiates exactly like the liberal mind in a petulant, childish way!!!

7 posted on 12/20/2003 8:48:32 AM PST by SierraWasp (Any elected official or citizen that supports illegal aliens is nothing but a worthless scoff-law!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
**Negotiation with these "madmen" is intensely risky business. It's nothing like the "negotiating" Reagan was able to do with Gorby & Gang! The Arab mind negotiates exactly like the liberal mind in a petulant, childish way!!! **

Exactly. You cannot reason with unreasonable people.

8 posted on 12/20/2003 8:50:21 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: Momaw Nadon
just had an out there thought....medicine and Docs
of war times are those who see the blood, labored life
and yet are soldiers as well. In a way Docs see tripe duty.
Medically, soldierly,and humanly. Tough great men and
women all. How fitting then to see a field Doc setting
the visual you think of Saddam when you close your eyes.

Happy Holidays to our medical team in Iraq and elsewhere

God bless you one and all.
9 posted on 12/20/2003 8:56:51 AM PST by cars for sale
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To: Momaw Nadon
This is a good opportunity, provided that Qaddaffy really means what he says (always in doubt, he's insane).

'Fess up, clean up, rejoin the civillised world.

This would be an example of good behaviour and good results.

Once again, IF Qaddaffy really means what he says.

"Trust, but verify"

10 posted on 12/20/2003 9:00:56 AM PST by LibKill (You are not sheeple. Refuse to be clipped.)
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To: Dog Gone
"As such, when this is verified, we should definitely lift sanctions."

Verification, in Lybia can be as frustrating as it was in Iraq before this last war. Verification, like prevention of disease, crime and dishonesty can get so expensive that it hits a point of diminishing returns, in a hurry!

I love my country, but I fear my government the most whenever it starts spending money on "Prevention" concepts!

For one thing, prevention, by it's very nature, inhibits many freedoms!!!

Sorry for wandering off subject just a little, but your use of the word "verified," got me to thinking about the big picture and how it's a two edged sword, as well as how "prevention" can be abused here at home. Especially, how costly either of those words can be to implement, over time, here and abroad.

I don't mind inhibiting the Lybian madman, but I do mind freedom being inhibited here with things like "prevention" and "verification" by agents of government!!!

11 posted on 12/20/2003 9:04:22 AM PST by SierraWasp (Any elected official or citizen that supports illegal aliens is nothing but a worthless scoff-law!!!)
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To: mrs tiggywinkle
Oh, but many are reasonable... and Saddam is Exhibit A of our method of reasoning with them.

When you've got em by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.
12 posted on 12/20/2003 9:11:49 AM PST by thoughtomator (The Federal judiciary is a terrorist organization)
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To: SierraWasp
If anyone wants a laugh, they should go over to DUh and see how depressed they are about this Libya thing. Suddenly they've all become hawks against Qadaffi, after decrying Reagan for bombing him 20 years ago!
13 posted on 12/20/2003 9:13:20 AM PST by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Democratshavenobrains
If anyone wants a laugh, they should go over to DUh and see how depressed they are about this Libya thing. Suddenly they've all become hawks against Qadaffi, after decrying Reagan for bombing him 20 years ago!

I go to DUh frequently, I enjoy their whining. Schadenfreude!

"Schadenfreude, those Germans have a word for EVERYTHING!" (Homer Simpson)

14 posted on 12/20/2003 9:16:45 AM PST by LibKill (You are not sheeple. Refuse to be clipped.)
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To: mrs tiggywinkle
Well... There is really only one way to reason with unreasonable people. Chairman Mao's way, when he said the only real power comes from the barrel of a gun, or something like that.

Reagan was only able to defeat Gorby because Gorby thought he was looking up the bigger barrel of Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative gun, aka "StarWars!"

There is another force that Mao didn't mention. It's called "Persistence & Determination!" Both Reagan and G.W. Bush seem to have it, Bush especially when he gits pist!!!

15 posted on 12/20/2003 9:18:31 AM PST by SierraWasp (Any elected official or citizen that supports illegal aliens is nothing but a worthless scoff-law!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
I *should* have said, "When you cannot reason with unreasonable people, take the upper hand."

Reagan did this wonderfully, as Bush is currently. :o)

16 posted on 12/20/2003 9:26:14 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: Democratshavenobrains
Well, my FRiend, I feel strongly that they have aptly named their website absolutely correctly!!!

In fact, I think they should move DemocratUnderground.com and all of it's servers and subscribers to the underground site recently vacated by Saddam Insane!!!

They could have Robin Williams come to the grand opening and yell "GOOD MORNING SPIDEY HOLE!!!

17 posted on 12/20/2003 9:28:35 AM PST by SierraWasp (Any elected official or citizen that supports illegal aliens is nothing but a worthless scoff-law!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
Reagan was only able to defeat Gorby because Gorby thought he was looking up the bigger barrel of Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative gun, aka "Star Wars!"

Tusken Raider with gaderffi stick.

18 posted on 12/20/2003 9:30:51 AM PST by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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To: SierraWasp; BOBTHENAILER; Shermy; Liz
One of these days, we will find a briefcase of some Opecker Thug/Mass Murderer, with the details of how the Watermelon Green Jihadists of America were funded by these mass murderers to make America more dependent on Opecker Oil.

This movement started during the Jimmy Carter years after he arranged for the Shah to be overthrown and the murdering Mullahs of Iran to take over. He set up and enabled the Watermelon Green Jihadists to have the power to stop drilling for oil and natural gas in America in the name of Green Dreams.

Opec was/is a vicious cartel. The success of that cartel depended on the Watermelon Green Jihadists around the world making people think that oil was evil, in short supply and should only be bought from the Opecker Princes and Mass Murdering Thugs.

Take out Iran/Syria and smash Opec, and Islamofascist terrorism will shrivel up and look like what the $oddomite looks like today.
19 posted on 12/20/2003 9:55:12 AM PST by Grampa Dave (George $orea$$ has owned and controlled the Rats for decades!)
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To: mrs tiggywinkle; SierraWasp
The Government of England in the 1880's ...surveying all the glory which was theirs in North Africa.

How quickly it all changed when the Black Flags of the Mahdi appeared...the routing of armies...the slaughter in Har'toom


Its there still...from the driven machination of the Palestinian...to the machinery which works benath the feet of say cowardly ruler of Syria.

This machination...Al Harb...House of War,
finds its emergence repeatedly in History.

Maybe it is really gone for ever...

Then again...the voice of the see'r such as Nostradamus postures that this resolve will appear again to contend...the war of Terror which runs some near 27 yrs ..and see's the world changed by its final outcome.

20 posted on 12/20/2003 10:02:40 AM PST by Light Speed
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