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Vanity: WMD - Where's the proof?
12-19-2003 | Ignatz

Posted on 12/19/2003 7:12:49 AM PST by Ignatz

Ok, fellow Freepers. I am currently involved in a "discussion" with the Libs in my office over the War in Iraq.
Of course, according to them, Bush lied about the reasons for going to war. I know there are news articles describing the evidence of WMD's that have been found in Iraq, as well as proof of Saddam's complicty in 9/11.
Can you all help me find them?

I tried a FR Search for "WMD" and found nothing! Obviously, there ahve been articles with "WMD" in the title..apparently I don't know how to search here at FR.
Small wonder Appy Pappy has to pimp everyone for posting duplicates, who could help it?
Help is very much appreciated!


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: davidkay; iraq; war; wmd
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1 posted on 12/19/2003 7:12:49 AM PST by Ignatz
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To: Ignatz
There are a ton of articles with WMD in the title.
2 posted on 12/19/2003 7:15:09 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Ignatz
No WMDs.

No links to Osama.

Bush did not lie, the intelligence, used by officialdom, was simply wrong.

Be happy that a bad man is no longer in power and the often cruel Clinton sanction regime is over.
3 posted on 12/19/2003 7:16:04 AM PST by JohnGalt ("Nothing happened on 9/11 to make the federal government more competent.")
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To: Ignatz
Search doesn't work on words of three letters or less.
4 posted on 12/19/2003 7:16:18 AM PST by dighton
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To: Ignatz
Hard one to answer.

This is all the dems have and if they stick to such a naroow legalistic type question then they obviously aren't asking with sincerity but are using the question as an attack.

Currently there seems to be more proof Hussein was involved with not only al Qaeda but 911. Why the administration didn't use this argument as well is a mystery.

Bush has been so good we tend to overlook his mistakes.

5 posted on 12/19/2003 7:18:11 AM PST by tallhappy
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To: Ignatz
I get the same crap form my lib friends. I just tell them we'll find them because they were there at one time and that W is so convinced of it (i.e he wasn't lying) he actually went over to help look for them on Thanksgiving (his day off).
6 posted on 12/19/2003 7:18:16 AM PST by billb
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To: billb
Go to QandO. He has a great review of the justifications for the war. Everyone on here should read it.

http://www.qando.blogspot.com/2003_10_01_qando_archive.html#106544280412513678
7 posted on 12/19/2003 7:19:10 AM PST by ChuckShick (He's clerking for me...)
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To: dighton; Ignatz
Correction: search sometimes works on words of three letters or less, sometimes doesn't.
8 posted on 12/19/2003 7:20:13 AM PST by dighton
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To: Ignatz
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1042961/posts
9 posted on 12/19/2003 7:20:21 AM PST by leadpencil1 (Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. M. Twain)
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To: Ignatz
You give-up far too easily. Try "weapons," "destruction," "weapons & destruction," "chemical," "nuclear," "biological," etc. Knock yourself out.
10 posted on 12/19/2003 7:20:49 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Ignatz
We had a similar thread yesterday - please my see Reply No. 32 on "Lib Drivel - So, where are those WMD? Could it be they don't exist??? (VANITY)" which reads:

The congressional resolution that gave Bush authority to launch the war, that so many Dems voted for, stated that Iraq had "the capacity to possess" WMD, a little fact that the media and Dem'Rats leave out of their rhetoric. So, ask her to prove that Bush ever said they actually had them. He and Powell, Cheney, etc., all talked about BW and CW that Iraq possessed in the past and remained unaccounted for, as U.N. mandates and the cease-fire resolution from the first Gulf War required.

Also, remind her that Bush never said that the WMD were an imminent threat, but rather that we were acting in a pre-eminent manner in order to prevent them from becoming as such.

Then we have the findings of the Iraq Survey Group; the quotes below are all taken from the "Statement On The Interim Progress Report On The Activities Of The Iraq Survey Group, 10/2/03," by David Kay:

“We have discovered dozens of WMD-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the inspections that began in late 2002.”

“A clandestine network of laboratories and safehouses within the Iraqi Intelligence Service that contained equipment subject to UN monitoring and suitable for continuing CBW [Chemical and Biological Weapons] research.”

“A prison laboratory complex, possibly used in human testing of BW [Biological Weapons] agents, that Iraqi officials working to prepare for UN inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the UN.”

“Reference strains of biological organisms concealed in a scientist’s home, one of which can be used to produce biological weapons.”

“New research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF), and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin were not declared to the UN.”

“Documents and equipment, hidden in scientists’ homes, that would have been useful in resuming uranium enrichment by centrifuge and electromagnetic isotope separation (EMIS).”

“A line of UAV’s [Unmanned Aerial Vehicles] not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 km, 350 km beyond the permissible limit.”

“Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited SCUD variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the UN.”

“Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1000 km - well beyond the 150 km range limit imposed by the UN. Missiles of a 1000 km range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets through out the Middle East, including Ankara, Cairo, and Abu Dhabi.”

“Clandestine attempts between late-1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300 km range ballistic missiles --probably the No Dong -- 300 km range anti-ship cruise missiles, and other prohibited military equipment.”

“With regard to Iraq’s nuclear program, the testimony we have obtained from Iraqi scientists and senior government officials should clear up any doubts about whether Saddam still wanted to obtain nuclear weapons. They have told ISG [Iraq Survey Group] that Saddam [Hussein] remained firmly committed to acquiring nuclear weapons.”

“In addition to the discovery of extensive concealment efforts, we have been faced with a systematic sanitization of documentary and computer evidence in a wide range of offices, laboratories, and companies suspected of WMD work.”


11 posted on 12/19/2003 7:20:54 AM PST by HenryLeeII
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To: Ignatz
Do a search for Weapons of Mass Destruction and you will get a lot of hits.

They did find traces (in warheads) prior to the war. The inpectors stated that it appeared some had been destroyed, but there wasn't enough residue to suggest that all of the stores had been destroyed. Saddam refused to give the inspection team access to all sites. Silkworm missiles were found that had a warhead specifically for sarrin gas, it could serve no other purpose plus these missiles had a further reach than allowed by the UN sanctions. Powell showed during his presentation to the UN, prior to our going over there, that a few sites had trucks being loaded up with something. Flyover time is limited and the trucks could not be traced.
12 posted on 12/19/2003 7:21:04 AM PST by zx2dragon (I could never again be an angel... Innocence, once lost, can never be regained.)
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To: Ignatz
Here are some quotes from Clintoon concerning WMDs and Saddam.
13 posted on 12/19/2003 7:21:10 AM PST by 4mycountry (12/14/03 - - Hello liberal friends! Care to eat some delicious CROW today? Mwahahaha!!)
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To: Ignatz
I make it a point never to argue about the justification for this war with a liberal unless they first tell me what was their position on Clinton's bombing of Belgrade and the war in Kosovo.
14 posted on 12/19/2003 7:21:51 AM PST by Maceman (Too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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To: backhoe
pinging the King of Links...
15 posted on 12/19/2003 7:21:57 AM PST by glock rocks (molon labe)
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To: Ignatz
http://www.odci.gov/nic/speeches_iraq_wmd.htm

http://www.odci.gov/cia/public_affairs/press_release/2003/pr11032003.htm

Statement on the Interim Progress Report on the Activiteis of the Iraq Survey Group

16 posted on 12/19/2003 7:23:06 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Ignatz
It's the same principle as a person finding a disassembled M-16 on the ground and going, "There are no automatic weapons around"
17 posted on 12/19/2003 7:23:37 AM PST by BSunday (I'm not the bad guy)
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To: Ignatz
Bush did not lie. However the materials, as laid out in his SOTU address and elsewhere, is not there. The intelligence provided to the President was bad. Now whether that intelligence was 'reworked' by others is another question
18 posted on 12/19/2003 7:23:53 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: JohnGalt
Be careful how far you push that rhetoric. You may not have enough of the right information on which to base your decisions.

Not everything gets published on the web or briefed to the press. Not every card has been played.
19 posted on 12/19/2003 7:24:16 AM PST by Eagle Eye ( Saddam-Who's your Bagh-Daddy now?)
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To: Ignatz
How's this?

Madonna and child, Saddam Hussein style. Perfect for your liberal friends' holiday season.

20 posted on 12/19/2003 7:24:37 AM PST by katana
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