Putkin's Russian forces in Chechnya to me.
What do you think?
Posted on 12/18/2003 10:36:53 AM PST by Destro
Edited on 04/13/2004 2:45:16 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
The Hague, Netherlands -- U.S. presidential politics can be played on any stage, and for the past two days it has unfolded behind closed doors in a courtroom in the Netherlands.
As President Bush basked in the capture of Saddam Hussein, Gen. Wesley Clark, who is seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, has had a strangely coincidental opportunity to point to his history with another man accused of war crimes: former President Slobodan Milosevic of Yugoslavia.
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You are my enemy... you are a clinton/clark supporter.
You are most likely a DU troll!
My main belief is that if clinton was for somebody THEY have to be the VILLIANS!
Your details PROVE to me that I am right in that belief.
Besides, Croatians and Bosnians muslims bear some kind of guilty stains based on their WWII activities to support Hitler. It seems it was they who wanted to continue their murderous activities form that period.
I think the the troll from the DU is also a liar and was never an American soldier. He is so full of clinton/clark love and hate for anything Serbian.
I noticed one of his really nasty posts, #74, was pulled. EXCELLENT!
Your implication, not mine. What I said stands. The Serb Volunteer Corps fought for and alongside the Germans against the resistance in Serbia. You've got the book. Look it up.
To the contrary, its [SVC]role was suppression of communists in Serbia proper.
Its role was defense of the regime. That was often operationalized as suppressing communists, but not exclusively so and the effect was to perpetuate in power the collaborationist Nedic regime and the German occupation authorites.
Nedic thought that by doing this he was saving Serbia from even harsher treatment than it otherwise received. We can argue that he made the wrong choice, but he collaborated not out of liking for the nazis but to )in his view) mitigate the effects of collaboration.
I know he was not an enthusiastic cooperater--perhaps closer to Petain--another WWI hero--versus Quisling.
unlike the Croats
I an in no way comparing Serbia to WWII Croatia.
What Mark’s trying to do is establish a symmetry of collaboration between Serbia and nazi Germany’s once (and America’s future) allies, the Bosnian Muslims, Croats, and Kosovo Albanians.
Impossible to get that out of what I wrote. I compared Serbia to the other occupied countries in the Balkans--Greece & Albania.
What Mark and his ilk would have you believe is that all groups in ww2 Yugoslavia collaborated, and thus that they were all equally guilty, and that the Serbs were never our allies, or if they were it was only to the same extent as everyone else in Yugoslavia. The argument is a lie.
Not my argument. I don't know what my "ilk" would have you believe, but I would have you quit mis-representing my position.
Kosta, the Greeks had several resistance movements-EDES, ELAS, etc. Albania was a miniature version of Serbia--a collaborationist regime and a communist Partisan movement as well as nationalist groups linked to the government in exile; to include the same type of internecine warfare. Just like with Serbia, the Brits and Americans reported the communists as the more aggressive anti-German force and eventually cut-off the nationalists from support.
saving American pilots
That ordinary people would risk their lives to do that was wonderful. But that was not an exclusively Serbian trait--it was done in France and Holland and Greece and Albania also. One of the links I posted above was to a book written by a group of American nurses rescued from German capture by Albanian guerillas. At least one edition of British Liaison Officer Julian Amery's book "Sons of the Eagle" includes photos of other U.S. airmen rescued from the occupation forces in Albania. Etc, etc.
The Kingdom of Yugoslavia was allied with France and was as much a British and American ally as the French, Polish, Norwegian and other governments in exile were.
We did not have a formal alliance pre-war, we were not allied with the Nedic regime, and the Serbs were not our "only" ally. What I said was: "If you count supporting governments in exile and support for indigenous resistance movements, then America was allied with each of the three occupied countries in the Balkans: Greece, Albania, and Serbia." In essence I don't think we disagree.
I'll get to at least one of those books.
BTW, Brit communist sympathizers didn't quit doing damage when the war ended. In 1949, when we tried to start a resistance in Albania, all the people we tried to get in were quickly scooped up. Turned out that the action officer for the Brits on the operation was the famous communist spy Kim Philby--he was tipping off Hoxha and not only were our guys executed, but also all the nascent resistance leaders in Albania--condemning that place to the worst dictaorship in Europe..
You and boney-butt jones are clinton/clark supporters!
Lion kicked ass in KOREA and when I call somebody my enemy YOU BEST believe that I mean it. 50, 60 OR MORE dead North Koreans got MY message,
Well done, Lion. Here's hoping we don't have to do that one over again.
Putkin's Russian forces in Chechnya to me.
What do you think?
Germany was using NATO by proxy for a war against the Serbs from my point of view.
Among Albanians, the partisans comprised several hundred fighters whose loyalty could be questioned. Your attempt to draw any parallel is gross falsification of history.
The Nedich regime was created -- a la DOS -- by "realists" who were trying, who had good intentions, and were motivated by the desire to minimize sufering of the Serbs and not because Nedich personally agreed in principle or was ideologically allied with the Nazis, as was the case of various leaders and governmentsa of fascitoid regimes all around Serbia -- Hungary, Bulgaria, Albania, Croatia, and Romania, most of whom had mutual allied pacts with nazi Germany and Fascist Italy.
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