Appeals Court Orders Jose Padilla released in 30 Days!

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[Dog]

Breaking...

[RobFromGa]

Rummy is working on a solution as we speak. The 9th Circus Court mind meld.

[NonValueAdded]

The actual death toll would be slightly more than a conventional explosive of the same size.

For the prompt kill effects, that is true. However, what the dirty bomb takes out is the stock market, the economy, probably brings about Patriot Act III, yada, yada, yada. In short, it's terror effect makes it just as good as a full nuke. And the terror effect won't depend on a few posts on FR.

Personally, I don't want either style going off in the US but sooner or later we'll lose our cherry on that too.

[jwalsh07]

Tell him to meld with the Second Circuit as well. :-}

[LenS]

He's a Muslim. It's either the Koran or the Constitution. He doesn't deserve anything but a trip straight to hell.

[Recovering_Democrat]

Say some group aggravates her. The NRA might, but they're too big to all throw in jail. Say she wants to pick on the Tyranny Response Team. They're small, unknowns with less resources so they'll do just fine. She points her fat finger at them and says they're a bunch of terrorists. She has them rounded up in the middle of the night as domestic terrorists and traitors. The ones that live through the raid are jailed...

Freeeee, that's a GREAT example. Let's not forget: Janet Reno ALREADY DID THAT at Waco and to some extent in Miami!! She had no "Patriot Act" or "Joint Resolution" behind her...she just acted illegally.

There are no purges in this administration: unlike that of the last World War, when a Democrat administration forcibly removed people of certain ethnicities from their homes. The Department of Defense and the Justice Department are focusing on terrorists.

An interesting argument was made today be a legal eagle on "Special Report" with Brit Hume...he noted that the Joint Resolution of Congress authorized the President to apprehend any terrorist or terrorist sympathizer that might continue the attacks perpetrated by those who carried out 9/11. The judges apparently ruled that CONGRESS is the only body that can authorize the action the President took...but Congress already did that with the Joint Resolution. No discretion was made in that resolution between citizens and non-citizens--just that the President had the discretion to get the terrorists.

Now, if the President were authorizing the rounding up of hundreds of political enemies or DNC donors, or members of N.O.W., such action would be clearly politically motivated. No such action has been taken by this DOD or POTUS. Indeed, all that is known about Padilla is very very bad.

The Mousaouii case is illustrative that holding these proceedings in a court can compromise National Security or, if not, the punishment vetted upon the criminal. I am inclined to accept the Joint Resolution argument.

thanks. rd.

[Lazamataz]

This may be bad news in this case, but it is dynamite, wonderful news for the rest of us.

You can't go around holding Americans seized on American soil indefinitely and without a charge. You just can't.

[Lazamataz]

Innocent until proven guilty, Pisano. It's the cornerstone of our legal system, and I reluctantly agree with the court on this one. However, I think we have the scoop on him, and the prosecutors will now have to detail it a bit by placing charges on him. It is going to close up some intelligence access for us, which sucks.

Ear-tag him with a transmitting ear-tag?

[jwalsh07]

Can you interrogate him without his lawyer present or would he simply be able to parrot the 5th Amendment right to remain silent?

[meyer]

Going to be released within 30 days UNLESS charged with crime!

He'll be charged. They bought time with this case, but time has run out. I hope that the delay in charging resulted in a benefit to the war on terrorism, but the constitution MUST be respected (even if it wasn't in the campaign finance case).

[Lazamataz]

This whole Padilla thing was handled idiotically, and unconstitutionally, from the start. This guy is an American citizen. John Ashcroft can not just arbitrarily revoke those rights of citizenship.

Not yet. They have that one slated for Patriot Act III.

To allay concerns Hillary and her minions could misuse it, they mentioned John Ashcroft by name.

[RobFromGa]

His left hand is starting to form a message to the 2nd Circus...

[Lazamataz]

Yay for Padilla! What a great guy!

[Lazamataz]

Name one pro Padilla poster on this thread.

Oops.

Me.

[Lazamataz]

Can you interrogate him without his lawyer present or would he simply be able to parrot the 5th Amendment right to remain silent?

He has all the rights available to a United States citizen.

Thankfully. Just like you and me.

[jwalsh07]

Really? If he was traveling in the car in Yemen with his al Qaeda buds when our guys put a missile right up there ass killing them all, would our guys who pulled the trigger have to face murder charges?

[Lazamataz]

Really? If he was traveling in the car in Yemen with his al Qaeda buds when our guys put a missile right up there ass killing them all, would our guys who pulled the trigger have to face murder charges?

They would get the exact same sanctions as our domestic LEO's got when they killed the innocent kids in Waco.

[RobFromGa]

I think they should be required to say what they are charging him with, have a judge review it and determine that there is something there, and then they can delay the trial until the end of hostilities or the danger is passed from releasing the information.

How do they handle other cases which involve top secret sensitive information, like spy cases? They need to keep a lot of that concealed.

[Lazamataz]

I think they should be required to say what they are charging him with, have a judge review it and determine that there is something there, and then they can delay the trial until the end of hostilities or the danger is passed from releasing the information.

Or, if you want to have an even more 'bulletproof' treatment, select some jurors, grabbing those that have Secret clearances and getting US Government Security Clearances for the rest -- dropping those who don't make it -- and have them make the call.

[Lazamataz]

Destructor, lugsoul and some of her buddies on this thread are more concerned with the "rights" of the Jose Padilla than they are the lives of the men, women, and children Mr. Padilla was going to murder with a radioactive bomb...

We are concerned about the rights of Padilla because we are concerned that someday you also are found to possess the same rights.

[jwalsh07]

They would get the exact same sanctions as our domestic LEO's got when they killed the innocent kids in Waco.

OK, no answer there, lets try this one.

Should Padilla immediately have gotten an attorney and been treated like any other criminal defendant?