Aztlan backers see Hussein capture hoax

WND ^ | 12-18-03 | N/A

[JustPiper]

Mexican-American separatists don't believe U.S. has Saddam

A Mexican-American separatist website, La Voz de Aztlan, is claiming the U.S. capture of Saddam Hussein is a hoax.

The pro-Arab and viciously anti-Israeli organization also sees a spontaneous uprising of popular support for Hussein throughout Iraq – a phenomenon unnoticed by news organizations throughout the world, including those in Arab countries.

According to the site, "extreme doubts have arisen throughout Islam that the released pictures by U.S. occupation forces of the 'captured Saddam' are of the Iraqi leader. Thousands of Iraqis, who knew Saddam, are claiming that it is one of Saddam's many known 'doubles.'"

Why would an American-based website produced by Mexican-Americans be so committed to the legacy of Saddam Hussein?

The Aztlan movement, which calls for the creation of a separate, Spanish-speaking state in North America out of much of the Southwest, gets its inspiration from Yasser Arafat's Palestinian statehood movement.

La Voz de Aztlan, or the Voice of Aztlan, called the capture of Hussein the "mother of all hoaxes."

Its website identifies Mexicans in the U.S. as "America's Palestinians." Many Mexicans see themselves as part of a transnational ethnic group known as "La Raza" – the race. A May editorial on the website, with a dateline of "Los Angeles, Alta California," declares that "both La Raza and the Palestinians have been displaced by invaders that have utilized military means to conquer and occupy our territories."

Hussein, the group's captive hero, meanwhile, paid some $35 million in aid to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers.

According to a survey conducted in June 2002, a healthy majority of Mexicans claim that their country rightfully owns much of the southwestern United States, while most Americans believe Washington should adopt stricter immigration standards and deploy U.S. troops along the border. The Zogby International poll found a majority of Mexicans say the U.S. Southwest "rightfully belongs to Mexico," and that Mexican citizens should be able to come into those areas freely, without U.S. permission. The poll found that 58 percent of Mexicans agree with the statement, "The territory of the United States' Southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico." Zogby said 28 percent disagreed, while another 14 percent said they weren't sure.

Activists who quite literally see themselves as "America's Palestinians" are gearing up a movement to carve out of the southwestern United States – a region including all of Bush's home state of Texas – a sovereign Hispanic state called the Republica del Norte.

"There are great similarities between the political and economic condition of the Palestinians in occupied Palestine and that of La Raza in the southwest United States," explains an editorial in La Voz de Aztlan in Los Angeles, the city seen as the future capital of the new Hispanic state – much like Jerusalem is seen by Palestinian Arabs as their capital.

The editorial goes on to draw analogies between the Arab uprising in Israel and gang violence in Los Angeles. It's the same thing, the activists claim. This is not crime and punishment, according to La Raza activists, this is the birth of an independence movement by young Hispanics.

"The similarities are many," says the editorial. "The takeover of our respective lands by foreign elements occurred 100 years apart. For La Raza, it happened in 1848 when Mexico lost the southwest at the end of the Mexican-American War and the signing of the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo. For the Palestinians, it occurred in 1948 when the Zionist Jewish People's Council gathered at the Tel Aviv Museum and signed the 'Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel' on the day in which the British Mandate over Palestine expired."

[JustPiper]

A "Who do they think they are" Ping

[JustPiper]

Ping!

[FairOpinion]

I shudder to think what would have happened if Bustamante became gov of CA.

The Aztlan group is sympathetic to the Palestinians and they are in denial about Saddam's capture also.

[kattracks]

Yes, but do they believe we have bin Laden?

[river rat]

Mass deportations of all these illegal assholes, is the ONLY thing that will prevent CWII..

I fear it's going to get very bloody, before these lunatics give it up...

Semper Fi

[JustPiper]

Yes, but do they believe we have bin Laden?

All that matters Kat is they know Fox has a Bush ;)

[longtermmemmory]

Better squash them right now. A few years ago homosexual marriage was a joke, now it is a problem.

We have to deal with these loosers before the bustamonte's start to have visions of their faces on the new peso.

[Mr. Mojo]

Geez, even Aztlanders' Palestinian "brothers" aren't this deep in denial. They accept it, and are now in the humiliation stage.

[txzman]

A "Who do they think they are" Ping...

They think they have the right to be brutal, violent and racist to accomplish their cause. The KKK look like pikers compared to the Hispanic gangs in NM and AZ.

[KAUAIBOUND]

If the United States had not acquired Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California through the Texas War of Independence, the War of 1848 and the Gadsen Purchase, these states would be the third world outhouse that Mexico is. Mexico could be a wealthy and powerful nation, but is crippled by its political system - a system based on money and social class. Just watch, Mexican politicians will foment hatred of the United States to divert their constituent's attention from their own problems, just as the Arab rulers have done with the Israelis. I have read that Mexican schools teach that the Southwestern U.S. is "temporarily in the hands of the United States"

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

How dxid that old Aztlan bromide go again? "For those who love Saddam, everything; for those who love freedom, nothing...?" :)

[tbpiper]

These guys have had waaaaay too much agave juice.

[Ff--150]

Why was the 2nd Amendment placed in the [former] Constitution of the United States???

[ovrtaxt]

So what's the deal? Do we have him or not, or did we have him for some time, and lied about it all along, or is the one we have really him, or an imposter? Whatever the truth is, it can't POSSIBLY be what the administration says.

These conspiracy kooks are the best entertainment going right now!

[quadrant]

To me the name of this organization is silly.
As I understand it (and I admit I may be wrong) Aztlan is a contraction of Aztec Land.

Anyone with the slightest knowledge of Mexican history knows that the Aztecs conquered the indigenous people of Mexico, and then sacrificed them on the altar of the Aztec gods.
So oppressed were the other indigenous tribes of Mexico that many of whom welcomed Cortes as a liberator.
I wonder how many of the devotees of the Aztlan movement have any connection to the Aztec tribe. And I wonder how many of those who belong to Aztlan had ancestors who were murdered by the Aztecs.

For the average Mexican (that is, one whose ancestors belonged to a tribe other than the Aztecs) to belong to a movement named Aztlan is as logical as it would be for a Pole or a Russian to belong to a movement called the Nazis.

As for re-constructing or contructing a Republica del Norte out of northern Mexico and parts of the United States, its an idea as silly of Mussolini's desire to reconstruct the old Roman Empire or Hitler's idea to build a Greater Germany.

The Aztecs are gone, as is the Mexico they ruled. If you wish to honor them, concentrate on their acheievements. Do not waste time in fantasies.

[TigersEye]

Activists who quite literally see themselves as "America's Palestinians" ...

...except they don't have the cahones to blow themselves up.

[Tijeras_Slim]

el ping

[redgolum]

"...except they don't have the cahones to blow themselves up."

They don't yet. That might be changing.

[ElCapitanAmerica]

FINALLY SOMEBODY REPORTS ON THIS GROUP WITH THE CORRECT LABEL

"Mexican-American separatists"

Not Latino group, or Hispanic group.

Gracias!