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Gays and generals / Top brass torpedo 'don't ask, don't tell'
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | Tuesday, December 16, 2003 | editorial

Posted on 12/16/2003 9:31:19 AM PST by Willie Green

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:35:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

It should come as a shock to no one that three retired military officers, two generals and one admiral, revealed last week that they are gay. What should be surprising is that, despite these and other stellar records, the Pentagon adheres to a policy that prevents known homosexuals from staying in the service.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: dontaskdonttell; homosexualagenda; militaryreadiness; prisoners; ucmj
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To: ohioman
Wackeykat is sure as hell, not a conservative. You can see him on many a thread spreading Demorat talking points.

Interesting. I think FR gets quite a few activists from the dark side trying to bully others around. Before the Internet, their favorite game was to write newspapers and say "I'm a Republican but I hate all Republican issues and all Republican politicians...." How transparently phony is that? Sad part is, people buy it.

201 posted on 12/17/2003 12:38:15 PM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
adulterer: Newt Gingrich and a couple other Republican congressmen I think

And we see how Mr. Gingrich's and Mr. Livingston's political careers have blossomed since...oh, that's right. Never mind.

an embezzler: I don't know if it qualifies as embezzlement, but Neil Bush sucked lots of money off his S&L...

If charges are filed, you let me know, OK?

a drug user: GW Bush, Gingrich

Unless you haven't read the news in a while, George W. Bush does not even drink alcohol. Oh, you mean to smear him with something he might have done several decades in the past? Pfffft! I got some news for you, people do reform themselves (even homosexuals leave the deathstyle). If you have some evidence that W. is using dope in the White House, please post it.

As to Mr. Gingrich, I wouldn't have him at my house for dinner.

You won't associate with these people? I think they're generally good people.

Nice try, but you have to ignore a big chunk of reality to come to that conclusion. Sort of like the folks who won't face the fact that homosexuals are incompatible with military service.

202 posted on 12/17/2003 12:48:22 PM PST by FormerLib (We'll fight the good fight until the very end!)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Delineating an argument doesn't refute it. It is correct to discriminate based on morals, that's why we don't let convicted child-molestors run daycare camps.

Refusing to associate with proclaimed homosexuals is based upon moral behaviors. Discriminating based upon behavior is not the same as discriminating based upon race, eye or hair color.
203 posted on 12/17/2003 12:52:32 PM PST by FormerLib (We'll fight the good fight until the very end!)
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To: FormerLib
It is correct to discriminate based on morals, that's why we don't let convicted child-molestors run daycare camps.

That's not morals. That's a crime with a direct victim. I do not believe consensual crimes are in line with the American ideal of freedom of the individual.

204 posted on 12/17/2003 1:00:58 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: ohioman
I repeat, here's a quarter, get the F### back in the closet.

I believe you do if you have such intimate knowledge of gay sex practices. I may have associated with them, but at least I didn't have any interest in learning what they did among themselves. You do. Why?

205 posted on 12/17/2003 1:03:56 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: FormerLib
How about Rush?
206 posted on 12/17/2003 1:04:25 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: FormerLib
If charges are filed, you let me know, OK? And they never will be. Likely for the same reason charges were never filed against Edward Kennedy for Chappaquiddick.
207 posted on 12/17/2003 1:06:00 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
By whom? Your average Palestinian suicide bomber is well-informed about the West, too...

You're really clutching at straws. Now I'm being compared to madmen terrorist Palestinians because I have read hundreds of articles and dozens of books about homosexual acts, health problems, causes, etc etc over the last 15 years or so. I guess to be "unbiased" about the homosexual agenda and its ramifications, one needs to be ill-informed and ignorant???

208 posted on 12/17/2003 1:19:14 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: antiRepublicrat
Your getting quite defensive. You would get a better reception over at DU.
209 posted on 12/17/2003 1:26:25 PM PST by ohioman
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To: antiRepublicrat
We always come back to the same reasoning that kept blacks out of the general military -- prejudice.

This is a straw man argument. You are claiming that for me and many others here to consider homosexual behavior unacceptable in the military (or as being unhealthy) is nothing but the same kind of prejudice that used to be legally enforced on black people in the US. This is a false, abhorrant argument that many black people and people of other ethnic or racial minorities find extremely offensive.

Homosexual acts are a chosen, voluntary set of behaviors, which can be learned, chosen, or renounced. Being a member of a particular race is immutable, unchosen, and values neutral. Go take your "prejudice" argument over to a black church and see what they say! See if conservative black people like being compared to men who like to have anal sex with each other.

210 posted on 12/17/2003 1:27:37 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: antiRepublicrat
No, I don't. What they do on their own time in private is none of your damn business.

Well, if they'd keep it their business people wouldn't know, and if they didn't know, they couldn't care.

You know as well as anyone on this thread that the "gay" activists have, for the last 25 or 30 years, been shoving their agenda and their perversions down everyone's throats - in the media, entertainment, schools, court decisions, laws, trying to force their way into the Boy Scouts, and so on.

It's my "damn" business if they make if my business!

211 posted on 12/17/2003 1:30:37 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: antiRepublicrat
Closet homos are often those who crusade against homosexuality in the first place. I believe there was research done in this area.

The last straw clutching argument - people who stand up against the "gay" agenda are closet homosexuals! You are full of crap to bring this fantasy up.

BTW, usually good people to party with at clubs, and I later found that they tend to associate with the most gorgeous straight women.

Words fail me on this one.

212 posted on 12/17/2003 1:33:39 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: CWOJackson
Maybe I missed it but were these folks promoted during the klinton regime?? I was suspicious of any officer promoted above O-6 during that time. Being a homosexual(or female,minority,democrat, et al) put one at the head of the line to teach the rest of us a lesson by the klintons. The end result was to downgrade the respect for superior officers which I believe was one of their intended goals.
213 posted on 12/17/2003 1:48:18 PM PST by strongbow
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To: tbird5
If gays and women want to fight, let them.

Fight who?

214 posted on 12/17/2003 1:53:32 PM PST by JudgemAll
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To: strongbow
I can't say for the two generals but "Doc Steinman" came to the Coast Guard by way of the Public Health service not the traditional way. In a service of 30-36,000 people it's hard to remain anonymous and he was always considered an odd one.

Add new meaning to the term, "turn your head and cough".

215 posted on 12/17/2003 2:16:35 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: 11th Earl of Mar; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...
Bush says He Could Back Gay Marriage Ban
216 posted on 12/17/2003 2:24:58 PM PST by Happy2BMe (2004 - Who WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!)
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To: antiRepublicrat
How about Rush?

Never met him.

217 posted on 12/17/2003 2:31:27 PM PST by FormerLib (We'll fight the good fight until the very end!)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Likely for the same reason charges were never filed against Edward Kennedy for Chappaquiddick.

No, not for the same reason. Kennedy was guilty of criminal negligence in that case. Bush was guilty of....what?

You are even a particularly good liberal disruptor, you know.

218 posted on 12/17/2003 2:53:10 PM PST by FormerLib (We'll fight the good fight until the very end!)
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To: ohioman
You would get a better reception over at DU.

I think he got tired of the DUmmies laughing at him.

219 posted on 12/17/2003 3:14:34 PM PST by FormerLib (We'll fight the good fight until the very end!)
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To: antiRepublicrat
"Anyway, I mostly hung out with straight people, but at times I'd get invited to some great clubs by the gays. Got three beautiful girlfriends out of that."

uh huh, including a fabulous husky-voice dame named Lola. Better check their equipment to be sure they're what they say they are. :-)



220 posted on 12/17/2003 4:06:01 PM PST by WOSG (The only thing that will defeat us is defeatism itself)
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