Gays and generals / Top brass torpedo 'don't ask, don't tell'

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | Tuesday, December 16, 2003 | editorial

[Willie Green]

It should come as a shock to no one that three retired military officers, two generals and one admiral, revealed last week that they are gay. What should be surprising is that, despite these and other stellar records, the Pentagon adheres to a policy that prevents known homosexuals from staying in the service.

[armydoc]

"Very good points. How about we outlaw those high-risk lifestyle activities that some gays do? You know, the sleeping around a lot, unprotected sex, etc. Why should we kick out a monogamous homosexual under that reasoning?"

First of all, you would have to throw out DADT if you're going to be asking a homosexual about the details of his sex life. Secondly, I'm sure all homosexuals are going to be completely forthcoming about said details. /sarc

[FormerLib]

It's not the act that kills, it's being stupid in performing these acts.

Performing sodomy with another man is inherently stupid as well as perverse. Apparently, participating in such a practice stupidly leads one to more perverse practices which is why the level of AIDS infections among homosexuals in the US is increasing.

[FormerLib]

No exceptions, homosexuals have to live under the same good conduct rules as everyone else.

AKA "Don't ask, don't tell."

[quadrant]

Dear Sir:

To a former enlisted man, and E-4, the opinions of a three retired generals and admirals means nothing.
They did not live in barracks, a place where there is no privacy.
They did have to deal with questions of small unit integrity and cohesion where any suspicion of favortism is a serious problem.
And they did not have any idea of the pressures facing junior enlisted personnel, many of whom suffer from loneliness and disorientation on a daily basis.
I do not doubt that many gays wish to serve in the Armed Forces, but the United States government is under no obli-gation - moral, legal, or ethical - to accede to their wishes. No gay individual enlists or joins the Armed Forces without knowing that for the term of their enlistment, their sexual orientation must remain private. If any gay person cannot do that, then he or she should refrain from joining the Armed Forces. To join without that conviction is to make a lie of his or her enlistment oath. Before enlisting a gay person must ask him or herself, "Is my sexuality more important that my oath?" They must understand that the answer to that question will be a measure and a test of character. What gives the views of these three officers special credence? Were any of them mustangs with a unique understanding of the morale of the troops? Were any of them combat commanders of great skill? Were any of them great strategists or tacticians? Were any of them distinguished by their knowledge of military history, policy, and law? In fact, the opinions of the flag officers mentioned in the article cannot in any way stand against the opinions of dozens, nay hundreds and perhaps thousands, of retired flag officers who oppose allowing gays to serve in the military. To those who say that the US is depriving itself of the services of talented individuals, I reply: We will survive. The United States Armed Forces have endured Civil War, two World Wars, an inconclusive war in Korea, and a political defeat in Vietnam. It can survive and prosper without the services of those who cannot abide its regulations and policies. WATCHMAN

[little jeremiah]

A homosexual (or heterosexual for that matter) can practically guarantee never getting AIDS as an STD by maintaining a monogamous relationship with an AIDS-free partner.

Very theoretical. Homosexuals are statistically extremely promiscuous - it is the nature of their psychopathology and the nature of their sexual desire to "push the limits" - that is why so many are into horrible painful methods of sexual "fun", and vast numbers of sex partners, even anonymous ones. The day most homosexuals remain faithful to one partner is the day pigs fly.

[antiRepublicrat]

AKA "Don't ask, don't tell."

No, because right now if command finds evidence of a homosexual having had discreet sex, not out in the open or throwing it in the face of the others, they still get kicked out.

[little jeremiah]

Thank you for your voice of reason, experience and intelligence!

[CWOJackson]

I note the courage of these flag officers...in coming out of the closet once their retirement was secure.

[FormerLib]

...right now if command finds evidence of a homosexual having had discreet sex, not out in the open or throwing it in the face of the others, they still get kicked out.

Then it wasn't discreet enough, now was it?

[FormerLib]

The United States Armed Forces have endured Civil War, two World Wars, an inconclusive war in Korea, and a political defeat in Vietnam. It can survive and prosper without the services of those who cannot abide its regulations and policies.

Great post, thanks!

[Travis McGee]

If gays and women want to fight, let them.

Why do you think gays want to fight women?

[antiRepublicrat]

Then it wasn't discreet enough, now was it?

They should be held to the same level of discretion as heterosexuals without fear of being kicked out if they get caught.

[richtig_faust]

I hear John Wayne Gacy is speaking out at the small businessman's club meeting this weekend......


Just cause they're retired military brass that liked to take it up the chucker don't make them right.

[richtig_faust]

nor did they hinder us in wartime. In


Is that pronounced "hin -der" or "hine - der".... I can imagine why it didn't bother you.

In actuality they're a danger due to blood born diseases and they are a morale killer. I would not serve if I knew there were pickle puffers around me.

[antiRepublicrat]

The day most homosexuals remain faithful to one partner is the day pigs fly.

You can say that about heterosexuals too. We don't care about the civilian ones here, only that the ones in the military stand up to some code of conduct.

[ohioman]

Morale will go to hell if we have a fag-friendly military. This will only serve to further divide this great country. However, the gay agenda is but one of many threats.

[antiRepublicrat]

they are a morale killer. I would not serve if I knew there were pickle puffers around me.

We always come back to the same reasoning that kept blacks out of the general military -- prejudice.

[ohioman]

You must be one of these closet homos. Funny, I think you are a liar, because I know of several who are currently in the Service, and they have never known of homos/dykes in their units.

[CWOJackson]

Sexual perversion is not like race in any manner whatsoever.

[richtig_faust]

We always come back to the same reasoning that kept blacks out of the general military -- prejudice.


No, it's disgust for a perversion. The same disgust I would have for someone porking a sheep or having sex with children. PERVERSION...... get it???