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Gays and generals / Top brass torpedo 'don't ask, don't tell'
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | Tuesday, December 16, 2003 | editorial

Posted on 12/16/2003 9:31:19 AM PST by Willie Green

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:35:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

It should come as a shock to no one that three retired military officers, two generals and one admiral, revealed last week that they are gay. What should be surprising is that, despite these and other stellar records, the Pentagon adheres to a policy that prevents known homosexuals from staying in the service.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: dontaskdonttell; homosexualagenda; militaryreadiness; prisoners; ucmj
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To: Willie Green
A friend who served in the Navy told me about a guy on his ship who used to jump into other mens' beds at night and get grabby. Who the hell needs that? How does that help morale?
141 posted on 12/17/2003 7:00:19 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: King Black Robe
The fact is, MOST real guys are bothered by showering with gays the same way women would be bothered showering with men

Soldier first, gender or orientation later. These people aren't just bothered, they have problems.

142 posted on 12/17/2003 7:00:49 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: armydoc
This is one of the best reasons to disqualify homosexuals from service. Every servicemember is considered part of the "walking blood bank".

Very good points. How about we outlaw those high-risk lifestyle activities that some gays do? You know, the sleeping around a lot, unprotected sex, etc. Why should we kick out a monogamous homosexual under that reasoning?

143 posted on 12/17/2003 7:03:27 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: pyx; Happy2BMe
I'm not the least bit surprised as to why antiRepublicrat and WackyKat will refuse to reply to your posting in #94.

Maybe because it wasn't addressed to me and I don't always look through every post in a highly active thread? Duh.

The poster seems very interested in every aspect of homosexual sex, going very into detail, more than I'd really like to be envisioning. I hate him now for that. :)

Anyway, why not kick out anyone exhibiting such dangerous behavior? STDs have always been a big problem with heterosexuals in the military, so this is really nothing new except for one added STD.

144 posted on 12/17/2003 7:10:19 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Thud
Judicial deference is all that has maintained the status quo so far, but that deference has been rooted in homosexual acts being criminal.

Not really. The military can prosecute for lots of things that are legal in the civilian world, such as adultry, talking back to a superior, certain levels of political involvement, etc.

145 posted on 12/17/2003 7:14:32 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: FormerLib
...both of which are incompatible with homosexuals openly serving the military.

To expand on what I said earlier, in one unit several homosexuals (acted normally though, not the activist types) were known to be so by quite a few straight people, and suspected by most of the rest of the unit. In another, everybody knew one woman was lesbian, and she was also one of our best soldiers (and one hell of a deuce-and-a-half driver). One was an armor unit and the other field artillery.

I must have been among an amazingly high concentration of good solders or above-average well-adjusted adults, because it caused no problems.

146 posted on 12/17/2003 7:21:44 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: WOSG
The military has the right to select and treat those wanting to serve in a way that most contributes to the military's effectiveness.

I know. That's the argument that was used to keep blacks out or banish them to separate units or menial jobs only. It was bad for unit cohesion, not because blacks were somehow deficient in good soldiering, but because of the perceptions and prejudices of the whites in the unit.

147 posted on 12/17/2003 7:25:46 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
Next time anyone has something negative to say about education in America, shall we ask them how many years they have spent teaching in a low-income district before we listen them, too?

No, but we should give your opinion much more weight than theirs since you've been there.

148 posted on 12/17/2003 7:27:59 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: little jeremiah
I am quite informed about the homosexual agenda, though.

By whom? Your average Palestinian suicide bomber is well-informed about the West, too, although we can be sure the information was quite biased.

149 posted on 12/17/2003 7:30:17 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
"A REAR Admiral is gay? I wonder how he earned that title."

To be precise, with one star he is a Rear Admiral - Lower Half.

150 posted on 12/17/2003 7:31:27 AM PST by CWOJackson (President Bush is responsibile for cellulite...)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Exceptions make bad rules.

Anyway, if the homosexuals ever get accepted into the military, it is very unlikely, given their behavior in the rest of society, that they would continue to maintain any level of concealment and would spend most of their time rubbing their perversion into the faces of their fellow soldiers.

Again, the homosexuals who have previously served kept it to themselves. By "passing" for normal, they were able to do their jobs.

Take away that need and there will be hell to pay.
151 posted on 12/17/2003 7:34:46 AM PST by FormerLib (We'll fight the good fight until the very end!)
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To: Aquinasfan
A friend who served in the Navy told me about a guy on his ship who used to jump into other mens' beds at night and get grabby.

Please tell me this guy didn't survive the deployment without serious physical damage or at least a Captain's Mast.

152 posted on 12/17/2003 7:37:19 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
...so this is really nothing new except for one added STD.

Except that this one kills 100% of the time and only infects those who commit sodomy, IV-drug users, and those exposed to the contaminated blood of either group.

It is simply stupid to expose our troops to this problem at all.

153 posted on 12/17/2003 7:37:23 AM PST by FormerLib (We'll fight the good fight until the very end!)
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To: FormerLib
Except that this one kills 100% of the time and only infects those who commit sodomy, IV-drug users,

... those who engage in heterosexual sex, receive tainted blood donations, etc.

It's not the act that kills, it's being stupid in performing these acts. For example, and IV drug user can guarantee he'll never get AIDS due to IV use by either using new needles or properly sterilizing the used ones. A homosexual (or heterosexual for that matter) can practically guarantee never getting AIDS as an STD by maintaining a monogamous relationship with an AIDS-free partner.

154 posted on 12/17/2003 7:54:04 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: FormerLib
it is very unlikely, given their behavior in the rest of society, that they would continue to maintain any level of concealment and would spend most of their time rubbing their perversion into the faces of their fellow soldiers.

Simple. That's sexual harassment, and can fall under the current harsh rules, although some modification to specifically include this type of behavior may be necessary. No exceptions, homosexuals have to live under the same good conduct rules as everyone else.

155 posted on 12/17/2003 7:58:40 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: scripter; little jeremiah; Polycarp
I have described your use of propaganda before. On another thread I tore apart your use of 73%, from one of your "scientific" studies, to say that that many homosexuals are child molestors. I have explained why I think you are unamerican with your broad sterotying of all homosexuals, with no acknowledgement of individual freedom. I have said that you are detrimental to this site, because people that appreciate american values thing you are extreme.

If the motivation for this is not hatred then what it is? It certainly can't be any good. If it is for good, then you've turned it into some bizarro world.

I've engaged you before in long argument. I have no intention of doing it again on this thread. My purpose is to have someone on the thread be on record to indicate that not all of us are zealots or fanatics.

156 posted on 12/17/2003 8:13:29 AM PST by breakem
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To: antiRepublicrat
I'm vague on the story. I heard it a long time ago. The best I can remember is that the guy operated when it was pitch black and disappeared when the victim woke up.
157 posted on 12/17/2003 8:38:29 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: breakem; little jeremiah
I have described your use of propaganda before. On another thread I tore apart your use of 73%, from one of your "scientific" studies, to say that that many homosexuals are child molestors.

First, you haven't supported your statements. Second, post a reference from me to a 73% study. Third, you never tore anything apart other than your own credibility and your above post continues to demonstrate you lack all credibility in this regard.

158 posted on 12/17/2003 8:40:59 AM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: breakem
If the motivation for this is not hatred then what it is? It certainly can't be any good.

Have you ever asked us what our motivation is? You are one of the most disingenuous posters on this forum as we have stated our motivations time and time again. Have you ever really read anything we've posted or do you always respond with how you feel about a matter?

I've engaged you before in long argument. I have no intention of doing it again on this thread.

And not only was your clock was cleaned but you failed to support your statements.

159 posted on 12/17/2003 8:41:46 AM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: breakem
My purpose is to have someone on the thread be on record to indicate that not all of us are zealots or fanatics.

Your purpose appears to be some attempt at denigrating the facts. Yes, facts. You cannot support your statements so you try to denigrate us and what we post.

You appear to hide behind what you apparently believe is some noble cause but you run away everytime you're asked to support your statements.

In post 26 of this thread you said to little jeremiah

Your continued blind hatred of any homosexual... You should enjoy seeing them die for their country. Less of your enemy.
That's a whole lot more than what you've posted as your stated purpose. Put up or shut up.
160 posted on 12/17/2003 8:42:12 AM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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