Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Cardinal Says U.S. Treated Saddam 'Like a Cow'
Yahoo! News / Reuters ^ | 12-16-2003 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 12/16/2003 5:54:51 AM PST by sitetest

Edited on 12/16/2003 7:13:44 AM PST by Lead Moderator. [history]

[LM's note: This thread is degenerating a bit into Catholic bashing and general flaming, and is in risk of being moved to the smokey backroom. Please stop. I've locked it once, and it has continued. Any more and it is gone. Thanks.]

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - A top Vatican (news - web sites) official said Tuesday he felt pity and compassion for Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) and criticized the U.S. military for showing video footage of him being treated "like a cow."

Cardinal Renato Martino, head of the Vatican's Justice and Peace department and a former papal envoy to the United Nations (news - web sites), told a news conference it would be "illusory" to think the arrest of the former Iraqi president would heal all the damage caused by a war which the Holy See opposed.

"I felt pity to see this man destroyed, (the military) looking at his teeth as if he were a cow. They could have spared us these pictures," he said.

"Seeing him like this, a man in his tragedy, despite all the heavy blame he bears, I had a sense of compassion for him," he said in answer to questions about Saddam's arrest.

Martino was referring to the videotape released by the U.S. military which showed a grubby, bearded and disheveled Saddam receiving a medical examination by a military doctor after his capture in an underground hole Saturday.

Martino was one of the Vatican officials most strongly opposed to the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq (news - web sites).

"It's true that we should be happy that this (arrest) has come about because it is the watershed that was necessary... we hope that this will not have worse and other serious consequences," Martino said.

"But it is not the total solution to the problems of the Middle East," he said.

Martino said the Vatican hoped the arrest of Saddam "can contribute to promoting peace and the democratization of Iraq."

He added: "But is seems to me to be illusory to hope that this will repair the dramas and the damage of the defeat for humanity that a war always brings about."

The Vatican did not consider the war in Iraq "a just war" because it was not backed by the United Nations and because the Vatican believed more negotiations were necessary to avoid it.

Martino said the Vatican wanted an "appropriate institution" to put Saddam on trial but he did not elaborate.

U.S. forces were keeping the ousted 66-year-old dictator at a secret location for interrogation before he is put on trial in the months ahead. He could face the death penalty.

The news conference was called for Martino to present the World Day of Peace message, in which Pope John Paul (news - web sites) took a swipe at the United States for invading Iraq without the backing of the United Nations.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cardinalcrackpot; cardinalmartino; catholic; cow; iraq; prisonersaddam; saddamhussein; viceisclosed; war
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 61-8081-100101-120 ... 761-763 next last
To: mhking
I would think that with all the trouble the Catholic church has had over the past couple of years that the Vatican would be best served by making sure that all of their "religious men" keep their damned mouths shut with respect to how someone is being treated.

81 posted on 12/16/2003 6:33:04 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Bush and Co. are quickly convincing me that the Constitution Party is our only hope.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 77 | View Replies]

To: dsc
And what a sharp contrast between your usual line and this talk of "kowtowing" to the Pope.

No contrast at all.

I've blasted the Pope and this goofball Martino for nine months for being completely and totally wrong on the Iraq war.

Martino just can't keep his goombah mouth shut and embarasses himself with the country he formerly ministered to as nuncio every time he opens it.

American Catholics shake their heads when these metrosexual ecclesiastics, with their manicured nails, opine from luxury while our boys are dying so that others can be free.

82 posted on 12/16/2003 6:33:14 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 72 | View Replies]

To: dsc; ontos-on
"A good reason why religious people should not get involved in politics."

Yeah, like all those religious people among the American Founding Fathers.
83 posted on 12/16/2003 6:33:19 AM PST by aruanan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: sitetest
Has the Cardinal ever visted the doctor before?
84 posted on 12/16/2003 6:34:09 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Your joy is your sorrow unmasked." --- GIBRAN)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sitetest
I wonder if the Cardinal would have liked it if we had shown video of Saddam getting fed feet first into a large shredder?
85 posted on 12/16/2003 6:34:50 AM PST by cmak9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dsc
Well I watched this same guy do the same thing before and during the war and there was zippo response to counter him those times.

So my expectations are low that anything will actually change this time.
86 posted on 12/16/2003 6:34:55 AM PST by DB (©)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: dsc; sinkspur
Isn't Renato Martino one of the favourites among the National Catholic Reporter readership?
87 posted on 12/16/2003 6:35:25 AM PST by Loyalist (Conservative Party of Canada: A truly progressive alliance!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 72 | View Replies]

To: DB
"So my expectations are low that anything will actually change this time."

Okay, well, I'm a Catholic, and I say the guy is getting no worse than he deserves.
88 posted on 12/16/2003 6:37:51 AM PST by dsc
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 86 | View Replies]

To: sitetest
Where was his compassion when Saddam killed hundreds of thousands?
89 posted on 12/16/2003 6:37:57 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dsc
I stand by what I said. The RC's need to take back their Church from those who have betrayed them and their children. You may call 90% of the perps garden variety homosexuals preying on adolescents. Does that make it any better? These are priests for crying out loud. You are trivializing the betrayal of Catholics by trying to diminsh the horror of what they did. Again, no matter how cynical I get, I still get shocked.
90 posted on 12/16/2003 6:38:15 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 52 | View Replies]

To: All
This thread is degenerating a bit into Catholic bashing and general flaming, and is in risk of being moved to the smokey backroom. Please stop.

I have temporarily locked the thread so that anyone currently replying will not miss this message. I will unlock it shortly.

91 posted on 12/16/2003 6:39:47 AM PST by Lead Moderator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 90 | View Replies]

To: sitetest
I am disgusted by the vast amount of putrid anti-Catholicism that lurks just under the surface here at FR.
92 posted on 12/16/2003 6:53:14 AM PST by Last Dakotan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: CWW; sinkspur
Cardinal is a leftist from Spain and a very very very liberal social justice cardinal. He does not speak for the Catholic Church!

Well, who made him a cardinal?

According to THIS WEBSITE, this "very very very liberal social justice" priest was made a bishop in 1980 by John Paul II. He was appointed to his UN position in 1986 by John Paul II. He was appointed head of the curial Justice and Peace department in 2002 by John Paul II. And he received his red hat in the latest round of appointments, being made cardinal on October 21, 2003 at the choice of, you guessed it, John Paul II.

The pope sure has a funny way of distancing himself from this guy's "very very very liberal social justice" views.

93 posted on 12/16/2003 6:55:03 AM PST by malakhi (Do, or do not. There is no try.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 68 | View Replies]

To: sitetest
Cardinal Renato Martino, head of the Vatican's Justice and Peace department and a former papal envoy to the United Nations...

What can I say?

I'll say it for you. The college of cardinals, unfortunately is larded with leftists like Martino.

Head of the Justice and Peace department indeed! formal papal envoy to the UN.

If my Church doesn't get off it's backside and return to the business of saving souls and functioning as a moral compass for mankind, then our Savior is going to be mighty angry!

94 posted on 12/16/2003 6:55:13 AM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: OpusatFR
"We are coming. God may have mercy on you, but we will not."

Being Catholic, I understand the theology behind this.

95 posted on 12/16/2003 6:56:12 AM PST by Romulus (Nothing really good ever happened after 1789.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: sitetest
Of course, had a Hindu said that we treated Saddam like a cow, that would have a totally different meaning, wouldn't it?
96 posted on 12/16/2003 6:56:39 AM PST by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sitetest
"What can I say?"

You don't have to say anything. Cardinal Martino is NOT an official spokemsman for the Vatican, he's just a prelate assigned at the Vatican spouting his personal opinion. When the Pope speaks, or one of his top spokesmen like Juaquin Navaro Valls or Cardinal Ratzinger then it's different. But till then, this guy Martino is just ranting his personal opinions in the hopes that somebody will think he's officially speaking for the Church.

As for his statement about Saddam being treated like a cow, that's about five hundred times better treatment than Saddam handed out to his own people, so the good Cardinal should be grateful that the pictures weren't of Saddam being dragged thru the streets of Baghdad with a rope tied around his neck and the people stoning him to death.

97 posted on 12/16/2003 6:57:26 AM PST by TheCrusader
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Catspaw; Poohbah; BOBTHENAILER; Luis Gonzalez; Grampa Dave; section9
I would prefer to see Saddam treated like Pablo Escobar.
98 posted on 12/16/2003 6:57:50 AM PST by hchutch ("I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't." - Major Vic Deakins, USAF (ret.))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: SpinyNorman
You are a bigot. Homosexual pedophilia is a perversity peculiar to Catholic priests??? If Catholicism is untrue, why do you need to resort to preposterous smears in order to attack it?
99 posted on 12/16/2003 6:58:24 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: sitetest
"I felt pity to see this man destroyed, (the military) looking at his teeth as if he were a cow. They could have spared us these pictures," he said

What, they have no remote controls at the vatican?

Who does the cardinal propose should repair the drama and damage imposed on humanity by Saddam? Oh, that's different?

I don't believe the Pope is in any shape anymore to take a swipe at his own nose, let alone the USA.

Prairie

100 posted on 12/16/2003 6:59:27 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Rejoice in the love God has shown by sending His Son to live among us and in our hearts.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 61-8081-100101-120 ... 761-763 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson