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Food for thought! I do believe that the gentleman is correct in his assessment of the upcoming election.
1 posted on 12/13/2003 7:26:03 AM PST by dixie sass
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I can't think of anyone else, so pass this on for information and discussion.
2 posted on 12/13/2003 7:34:02 AM PST by dixie sass (Meow, pfft, pfft, pfft - (hmmmm, claws needed sharpening))
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To: dixie sass
My own best guess is that Bush will win in a bitter and potentially tighter-than-expected race. And that he will return to office with the respect, if not always the gratitude, of the American people.

This I agree with. I believe the democreeps are still angry and bitter about the 2000 election and will make it increasingly harder in 2004 for us but I think they and the media have also forgotten while "feeling sorry for themselves" that Republican who get riled up like we did in 2000 can be a formidible force to deal with.

3 posted on 12/13/2003 7:36:28 AM PST by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: dixie sass
I too agree, but one thing the author leaves out is that a number of staunch conservatives are really perplexed concerning GW's domestic agenda on many fronts. True most will vote for him as it is not safe to have a Democrat in office and yet ...

How many more actions can he take that fly in the face of the once traditional conservative Republican base before enough of them decide to "sit it out"? If the election will be as close as this author suggests I am glad I am not in charge of the Ouija board when recommending which bed rock conservative values to trash for votes from the moderate (lack of core principles) middle.

4 posted on 12/13/2003 7:41:02 AM PST by ImpBill ("America! ... Where are you now?")
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To: dixie sass
I will probably vote third party. I have that luxury, because I live in Massachusetts, which will go for the Dem candidate no matter who I vote for. If it doesn't, that will signal a Bush landslide of such proportions that my vote wouldn't matter that much anyway.

If I lived in a more important electoral state, like Florida, I would -- reluctantly -- vote for Bush, only because the thought of a Democrat in the White House after 8 years of Clinton is more than I can bear.

That said, I have to say that inspite of the fact that Bush has done some important things I agree with -- the WOT, tax cuts, taking on the UN and killing Kyoto -- I am really angered at him by his stands on immigration, campaign finance, spending (especially Medicare) and education. Not to mention his insane sucking up to the Muslim "religion of peace" community.

I think those are seriously important issues and Bush has completely failed us on them.

Voting for Bush is like walking off the edge of a cliff, where the alternative would be running off the edge of a cliff by voting for a Democrat.

I really don't trust Bush at all to do the right thing anymore in most cases.
6 posted on 12/13/2003 7:46:23 AM PST by Maceman (Too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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To: dixie sass
While I don't think (yet) it will be a blowout, I think a Bush victory nearly inevitable due to simple math:

2) From the get-go, if he only won what he won in 2000, Bush would gain an additional 7 EVs and the Dem would automatically lose 7 EVs purely from redistricting. That starts Bush at 278.

2) Bush lost four states, if I'm not mistaken, by fewer than 30,000 total votes (NM, IO, WI, and OR). He lost NM by fewer than 5,000 votes---enough to demand a recount, which he did not do. Given a (even if slightly) growing economy, and the Dem alternative, I think Bush easily wins these four, giving him about 30 additional EVs, bringin his total to 308.

3) He has now nearly buried the Dem and not had to win one single truly contested state, such as PA, MI, or MN. Many observers think he will win two of those three. Add 40 more EVs to his total.

4) Now you come to the states where Bush can win, but where it would take a great deal of work and a little luck---NJ or MD, for example. These are not out of reach, and should one or two of these fall Bush's way, he is in the 350-370 range.

This is blowout territory. Note I'm still handing over to the Dems CA and NY, neither of which is a sure lock. And I'm throwing into the Dean column WA and VT.

In short, the math says that no matter who the Dem is, Bush destroys him or her. But wait!

Dean is a kook. When the American public starts to really listen to him, he will come off more like Pat Buchanan did on our side than a Dukakis, who didn't excite anyone. I think Dean will scare a number of people who aren't in love with Bush, and give him the 30 additional EVs Bush needs to cross the 400 "landslide" barrier.

11 posted on 12/13/2003 8:36:56 AM PST by LS
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To: dixie sass
No matter how high the stock market climbs or consumer optimism grows, the economic measuring stick the average reader or viewer of mass media will be subjected to over the coming year will be the number of unemployed workers.

Actually, unemployment is and will always be the most important economic measuring stick for most people. I had two engineering degrees from two very prestigious major public universities (and had high grades). I worked hard and had great performance evaluations from my employer. I even went back to school and earned a third engineering degree. In spite of these things, I spent a year of the 90's unemployed and 17 months in a worthless, unsafe, dead-end job. "Consumer confidence" is just fluff. A strong stock market is nice. However, neither of these things has value if I can't find a good job in my field. Technical people are typically not good in sales or retail management. If I can't work as an engineer, I'll never be good enough at something else to live much above the poverty level. I can survive a bad stock market. It just means that I'll have to work longer before I retire. I can't survive a complete breakdown of jobs in my field.

I don't think that the jobs issue should work to the advantage of the Democrats, but the Republicans must make this argument effectively. One of the biggest threats to our jobs is over-regulation by the government. The Democrats are the party of over-regulation. Another huge threat to our jobs is lawsuit abuse. The Democrats are the party of trial lawyers. Neither party is willing to endorse protective tariffs in principle right now, but President Bush protected the steel industry for the past couple of years. He's lifted the tariff now, but I think that action speaks well of his willingness to take steps that must be taken sometimes.

The Democrats are not the party of better jobs or more jobs. The "rich didn't get richer" while the "poor got poorer" during the 80's. However, the "rich did get richer" while the "poor got poorer" during the 90's. Americans need to understand that voting against Democrats is the best way to protect their jobs.

Race and Mediocrity in Louisiana
Bill

18 posted on 12/13/2003 9:14:02 AM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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Here's the big question.

Can Dean win Penn, Michigan, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Florida, and Washington State besides the dem leaning states(Including Illinois)? That's enough right there and doesn't include swing states like Arkansas, Oregon, Louisiana, Arizona, Nevada, New Mex, West VA, New Hampshire, Missouri, Ohio, and Colorado?

25 posted on 12/13/2003 10:47:48 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("if you wanna run cool, you got to run, on heavy heavy fuel" - Dire Straits)
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To: dixie sass
Off the top of my head there's three things that have me very disappointed in George W. Bush. Signing that campaign reform monstrosity; not lifting a finger to protect/rescue American women and their children who are domestic hostages in Muslim countries; and Taiwan.
Nevertheless, he is president by the grace of God and we'd be in deep trouble if a Democrat replaced him. I expect we will see a landslide for Bush and more R's in Congress, but if Bush needs my vote he will have it.
50 posted on 12/13/2003 5:39:28 PM PST by Graymatter (Let's issue a new $40 bill to honor our 40th president)
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To: dixie sass
The only thing better than Howard Dean as the nominee would be Dennis "Evil Elf" Kucinich as the nominee.
52 posted on 12/15/2003 5:33:42 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Ladies and Gentlemen....WE GOT HIM!!!)
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