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INSIDE THE NUMBERS: 2004
Townhall.Com ^ | November 4, 2003 | Matt Towery

Posted on 12/13/2003 7:26:02 AM PST by dixie sass

With the 2004 presidential election coming up one year from this week, let's use information and analyses from prior editions of this column to predict who might win.

President Bush will be the Republican nominee, of course, so let's focus on the Democratic field of candidates. We were ahead of the curve months ago when we revealed a survey showing former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean was the surprise leader of the pack. Many thought Dean's quick rise would be brief, but clearly, he is the real thing.

In another column, we noted the sudden emergence of Wesley Clark mania and questioned whether his political inexperience and lack of a clear, well-articulated message might make him more a flash in the pan than an enduring, middle-of-the-road alternative for Democratic voters. To date, that assessment has proven more or less on the mark.

Absent a major misstep -- or a sudden manifestation of charisma by one of his Democratic opponents -- Dean's early momentum makes him the odds-on favorite to face Bush. Remember that the nature of the Democratic Party's presidential nomination process heavily favors the selection of more left-leaning delegates to the national convention. Advantage, Dean.

So assuming that Dean will be the nominee, let's move on to another recent column. Even before conservative Democratic Sen. Zell Miller of Georgia revealed to talk-TV superstar Sean Hannity that Miller would be supporting Republican Bush for president, we alerted readers to be on the lookout for loud repercussions to the release of Miller's new book, "A National Party No More." In it, he argues that the Democratic Party is held hostage by liberal special interest groups that force the party to take positions and nominate candidates out of the political mainstream. Miller makes no bones about his belief that Dean is Exhibit A in illustrating the point.

So Bush's re-election is inevitable, right? After all, the economy is clearly on an upswing that even the most virulent naysayers now admit is at least partly the result of the Bush tax cuts. This newfound optimism may even bolster the Christmas retail season and sustain the bullish stock market.

As for Iraq: Yes, the situation is deteriorating, but even prior to the initial invasion, we reported that most Americans expected the conflict to last a year or longer. Hence, the public's unwillingness -- so far -- to let bad news from Baghdad cast a shadow on renewed good times at home.

Still, a wrinkle remains in this upbeat forecast for the president, and it's less about the content of his political stands than their presentation. In short, the wrinkle is the news media. Look at the measurements they often use to measure the nation's progress and well-being.

On the economy, newsrooms across the nation report largely on the number of jobs lost in the past three years. That won't change. No matter how high the stock market climbs or consumer optimism grows, the economic measuring stick the average reader or viewer of mass media will be subjected to over the coming year will be the number of unemployed workers. And as we have noted before in this column space, the export of service-sector jobs to Asia and other foreign lands will be drummed up by Dean and many in the media as a crack in America's economic armor.

The story of Iraq, too, will be framed by those reporting it. When the cover of Newsweek magazine suggests the war has become "Bush's $87 Billion Mess" -- as if Saddam Hussein's genocidal mania had nothing to do with it -- it is plain enough the war will dog the president through next November and probably beyond. Less likely to make headlines will be stories like the one that aired last weekend on MSNBC-TV. It showed a large group of young Iraqis using broken English to unanimously endorse Bush over Hussein.

By November 2004, political and economic reality may win out for the president. The economy likely will be at its strongest in several years. And Bush's forceful and sustained response to Sept. 11 has possibly discouraged other rogue nations and terrorist groups from pursuing their murderous ways -- or at least tied them down far from U.S. shores.

But in politics, reality and perception don't always overlap exactly. Dean or another Democratic nominee might be able to parlay economic and foreign policy discontent into enough support to make it a close election next year. My own best guess is that Bush will win in a bitter and potentially tighter-than-expected race. And that he will return to office with the respect, if not always the gratitude, of the American people.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; bush; clark; dean; electionpresident; elections; miller
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To: WFTR
Many good points there, but I would like to respond to one line.
I think you're taking his analogy a little more strongly than it was intended.
A person can avoid having this happen by avoiding needless, over the top analogies and outlandish rhetoric.

If one wants to be critical, be critical. I doubt that will cause many problems. I have been critical several times over many months, and only once did anyone give me guff about it (and that person was as easily handled as Rusty is easily handled).

But if one wants to overstate their case, one is likely to be called on it and categorized. You might not like that, but it is what happens and I am not sure it is wrong that it does happen.

21 posted on 12/13/2003 10:12:27 AM PST by William McKinley (Avoiding that nasty Gestapo that RJ warned me about)
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To: William McKinley
I thought that the analogy was reasonable in the context of the rest of the post. You disagree. We disagree on whether the original case was overstated. I'm okay with that disagreement and apreciate the points that you've made. Thanks
22 posted on 12/13/2003 10:26:52 AM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: Maceman
I am really angered at him by his stands on immigration, campaign finance, spending (especially Medicare) and education.

I can understand your being upset on most of those positions but on Medicare, he campaigned on a drug benefit in 2000. He went up and down Florida stressing that he supported it. I'm mystified about people feeling "betrayed" or whatever on that. On education also it was clear in 2000 he supported increased spending, although the shape of the bill that he signed had a lot less reform than we expected. CFR on the other hand was a reversal of his position in 2000.

23 posted on 12/13/2003 10:42:37 AM PST by lasereye
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To: WFTR
"On the other hand, I think Mason was clearly engaging in demagoguery when he tried to reduce the original criticism to a claim that President Bush is a "great satan." He was being untruthful when he tried to portray those criticisms as a willingness to elect a Democrat."

Demagoguery indeed.

I was "being untruthful when I tried to portray those criticisms as a willingness to elect a Democrat"? Are you series?

My friend, [I use that term as Senators call their brethern] it is one thing to criticize Bush, quite another to be under the delusion that a move to a "third" party [whatever one that is] is a realistic option in todays climate. To then compound that by indicating it is somehow of importance to anyone of any intelligence is, shall I say, demagogic .

24 posted on 12/13/2003 10:45:33 AM PST by G.Mason
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To: dixie sass
Here's the big question.

Can Dean win Penn, Michigan, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Florida, and Washington State besides the dem leaning states(Including Illinois)? That's enough right there and doesn't include swing states like Arkansas, Oregon, Louisiana, Arizona, Nevada, New Mex, West VA, New Hampshire, Missouri, Ohio, and Colorado?

25 posted on 12/13/2003 10:47:48 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("if you wanna run cool, you got to run, on heavy heavy fuel" - Dire Straits)
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To: ImpBill
If he signs the AW ban, I'm out. That's my breaking point.
26 posted on 12/13/2003 10:48:37 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("if you wanna run cool, you got to run, on heavy heavy fuel" - Dire Straits)
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To: WFTR; All
"The Democrats are not the party of better jobs or more jobs. The "rich didn't get richer" while the "poor got poorer" during the 80's. However, the "rich did get richer" while the "poor got poorer" during the 90's. Americans need to understand that voting against Democrats is the best way to protect their jobs."

They won't, at least not until someone takes all of the "rose-colored" glasses out and smushes them to smithereens!

27 posted on 12/13/2003 10:51:17 AM PST by dixie sass (Meow, pfft, pfft, pfft - (hmmmm, claws needed sharpening))
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To: LS
Now you come to the states where Bush can win, but where it would take a great deal of work and a little luck---NJ or MD, for example.

Bush lost NJ and MD by about 16 percentage points. If he's winning states like this in 2004, that means he's got around a 64% approval rating, and he's on his way to a 45-state landslide.

Bush lost four states, if I'm not mistaken, by fewer than 30,000 total votes

While I agree that Bush is in good shape to contest a lot of the close states he lost in 2000, the margin of Gore's victories in some of these states is deceptively small. Ralph Nader got more than 5% in Oregon and Minnesota, and more than 3.5% in Wisconsin and New Mexico. I think we can safely assume that some of Nader's support will transfer to the Democrat in 2004, so Bush will have slightly more ground to make up there.

28 posted on 12/13/2003 10:56:36 AM PST by BlackRazor
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To: WFTR; All
No, Maceman's vote alone will not affect the outcome, but as we saw with Clinton's win over Papa, a lot of those can and will turn the tide.

I am not a "Bush-bot", I don't agree with everything that he has done or not done, but I can't see voting third party at this time because of past history.

Don't people have to look at events over the last four years and try to priortize the events? Shouldn't they acknowledge the fact that Bush has tried to work on domestic issues? Even though they have taken a back seat to the terrorist question?

I don't agree with the Homeland Security Act or the Patriot Act, actually I don't agree with anything that takes away my rights as defined under the Constitution and the FIRST 10 Amendments. I would like to see the IRS abolished and NRST put in place. There are loads of things that I would like to see changed, but I don't think they take top priority right now.


29 posted on 12/13/2003 11:01:20 AM PST by dixie sass (Meow, pfft, pfft, pfft - (hmmmm, claws needed sharpening))
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To: BlackRazor
Yah, I had omitted any discussion of Nader---who looks as though he might run again. And, actually, Nader might figure into FL as well. Still, essentially Bush's "approval ratings" are right now about 5% ahead of where he was in 2000, and that is right on the cusp (55%) of a solid electoral victory. I think 60% = landslide territory.
30 posted on 12/13/2003 11:04:33 AM PST by LS
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To: Gorjus
Well, to all of you let me throw in one other thing: Bob Beckel, the Dem jerk and strategist, admitted that the DUI in the last weekend of the election probably cost Bush 1 million votes nationally. Now, filter that through, and if Beckel is right, that means that the timing of the DUI probably cost Bush NM, WI, OR, and IO. So again, I see the 278 beginning votes as being substantially bolstered by a "non-DUI" group of voters in those four states.
31 posted on 12/13/2003 11:07:14 AM PST by LS
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To: William McKinley
Please don't get me wrong; I am not a "Bush-Bot". I do not agree with everything the man has said or done. I firmly believe that he is just as fallible as you or I.

The biggest thing that worries me in the upcoming elections is the "third-party" voter or the person who thinks "my vote doesn't count, so I'll stay home and not vote". Those are what is going to cause the election to be a tight squeeze.

That and the dummies who think changing parties in the primaries and being cute and voting for Sharpton...
32 posted on 12/13/2003 11:09:09 AM PST by dixie sass (Meow, pfft, pfft, pfft - (hmmmm, claws needed sharpening))
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To: Dan from Michigan
Hello Dan, good to see you.

I think that Gorjus and LS have been covering that part of the discussion. Did you see there posts?
33 posted on 12/13/2003 11:17:10 AM PST by dixie sass (Meow, pfft, pfft, pfft - (hmmmm, claws needed sharpening))
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To: All
How is the Rove "fifth Islamic column" going to effect the election and primaries? Will people see this as a betrayal of all that Bush has said?
34 posted on 12/13/2003 11:20:12 AM PST by dixie sass (Meow, pfft, pfft, pfft - (hmmmm, claws needed sharpening))
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To: lasereye
"On education also it was clear in 2000 he supported increased spending, although the shape of the bill that he signed had a lot less reform than we expected."

And conversely the Medicare bill is more conervative than it otherwise might have been. for example, slipping in medical savings accounts. The liberalism in the education bill was due to jumpin Jim Jeffords. Had the D's held the senate this year, things coming out of the Congress would have been much worse / more liberal. having 2 more R senators has made a difference.

35 posted on 12/13/2003 11:30:00 AM PST by WOSG (The only thing that will defeat us is defeatism itself)
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To: All
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1039769/posts
36 posted on 12/13/2003 11:31:11 AM PST by dixie sass (Meow, pfft, pfft, pfft - (hmmmm, claws needed sharpening))
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To: All
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1039721/posts

and here is yet another view.
37 posted on 12/13/2003 11:34:23 AM PST by dixie sass (Meow, pfft, pfft, pfft - (hmmmm, claws needed sharpening))
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To: G.Mason
I was "being untruthful when I tried to portray those criticisms as a willingness to elect a Democrat"? Are you series?

Yes, you were being untruthful when you tried to portray those criticisms as willingness to elect a Democrat. Yes, I'm serious (but probably not "series").

As I stated in my first reply, you needed to read the post before you responded. The guy said that if he lived in a swing state, he'd vote for President Bush to try to deny that state to the Democrat. As it is, he lives in a state that is so heavily Democratic that President Bush has no chance and his vote won't have an effect. Because of those facts, his consideration of a third party candidate does no harm to the conservative cause. He explained that situation very reasonably. You may not like his choice, but he wasn't trying to be a demagogue, flame the president, or advocate electing a Democrat.

On the other hand, you either didn't bother to read his post, didn't have what it takes to understand the post, or are willfully distorting it. Whatever the case, you started with your "Bush is satan" sarcasm. I thought your sarcasm amounted to demogoguery and said so. You also refused to acknowledge that the poster's intent in voting third party was not to elect a Democrat. It's nice that you support the president, but catty attacks on anyone who doesn't follow the party line exactly don't help your cause or make anyone more likely to vote for Republicans.

38 posted on 12/13/2003 11:34:23 AM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: dixie sass
No, Maceman's vote alone will not affect the outcome, but as we saw with Clinton's win over Papa, a lot of those can and will turn the tide.

Actually, it's a small number of the Perot votes that turned the tide in '92. Perot received much of his support from states that went to President Bush anyway. Those votes did no harm at all. He may have even helped GHW Bush win a few states by splitting the pro-abortion vote. In some states that went to Clinton, Perot voters were union people who probably would have split evenly between President Bush and Clinton. In a few states, Perot probably made a difference, but I no longer believe he was the primary difference of that campaign.

President Bush broke an important promise and then ran a lousy campaign in '92. Scapegoating Perot is a favorite fallback for Republicans who don't want to learn the lessons of that election, but the outcome likely would have been no different if Perot hadn't joined the race. We can't betray our principles and run bad campaigns and still expect to win.

WFTR
Bill

39 posted on 12/13/2003 11:45:03 AM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: LS
Everyone is overlooking the biggie....Bush takes California
in 2004..with great help from Governor Arnie...Yoohaa..Jake.
40 posted on 12/13/2003 11:51:21 AM PST by sanjacjake ( Luvya-Dubya)
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