Regarding Freeper Obit. TrappedInLiberalHell and Depression

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[joesbucks]

The problems of depression and despair.

[bonfire]

I have a friend who suffers from depression AND has a zany wit. Seems this is one of the characteristics of many with this disease. Anyway, she asked me if I'd ever considered suicide. When I told her no, she said "OH! I thought EVERYONE did!" In her mind she thought contemplating suicide was normal.

[cyborg]

Yes, and no one is glorifying what he did either.

[EagleMamaMT]

Thank you for your kind words. I only posted my experiences because I just want to help someone else not to go down the road I've been, and maybe to spare somebody else a little pain if I can. God bless you and your family!

[At _War_With_Liberals]

""Suicide is not chosen; it happens when pain exceeds resources for coping with pain."

This is ONE reason for suicide of many. It IS chosen by people for various reasons. It does not just 'happen'.

I can appeciate the essay and I'm glad it helped.

"When pain exceeds pain-coping resources, suicidal feelings are the result."

For many, it is when mental resources and reasoning once again exceed the pain at a later stage of thinking in the illness.

[Dane]

All I can say is I wish he hadn't...and maybe anger at people who commit suicide (a side-topic in this thread - not something in your post) is appropriate in some cases, but not in ours

I understand that completely. It's a fine line to walk. That fine line is having symapthy for one's mental troubles, without going overboard and making the ultimate act, suicide, into something noble.

And again JMO, but some on FR are making TILH's suicide into a noble act, it wasn't. It was tragic.

[jigsaw]

...my point is that should suicide be elevated to being "noble"?   My opinion is no.

I certainly agree.

[GrandMoM]

Amen to that!!!!!!!!!!!

....I have company and can't sit down to post that often, wish I could!!!!!!!!!

[EagleMamaMT]

Thank you, Owl. God bless you. I'll help you pray for more faith and that Jesus will reveal himself to you in mighty and wonderful ways.

[bonfire]

I have always wondered about the correlation between IQ and depression. Most everyone I know with depression is either very bright and/or very creative.

[At _War_With_Liberals]

"And again JMO, but some on FR are making TILH's suicide into a noble act, it wasn't."

You can tell that to him. This man is dead, and you call him ignoble, and you cannot 'respect' him.

Since he is not here to hear this or speak about it, you should not be saying it. Low class and not too bright.

[Old Professer]

I thought you were going to change your screen name after the Clinton agonys?

[prairiebreeze]

Agreed. In the past, suffering and such pleasantries as ECT or insulin shock treatment were standard. (ECT is still used sometimes for example in severe manic-depression that doesn't respond to medication.)

The new anti-depressant meds are God sends. Abraham Lincolm is said to have suffered with depression. Mary Lincoln probably too.

Prairie

[snopercod]

love them unconditionally

My wife does me that way, even when I'm in the dumps like I have been sometimes since I lost my job 15 months ago.

Occasionally she'll ask me, why don't you see a doctor and get some drugs for depression? I tell here there are two reasons.

1. I might want to run for office, work at a nuclear plant, or reinstate my security clearance some day. You can't do those things with a history of "mental problems".

2. The problem is not chemical, I have real good external reasons to be depressed, like;

   • I have no job, no money, no friends, and no status. After a life of building nuclear plants and launching space shuttles, my life has come down to keeping the fire in the fireplace going all winter, and emptying the cat litter box.

   • I am unable to engage in any of the pastimes that used to give me pleasure (like flying), and I am unable to finish any of the projects that I started like that Lancair 235 in my basement.

But when I was in college, I used to pray that God would help me to be wise. I figure this situation is all part of my training.

Hey, at least my house and cars are paid for, and my wife loves me unconditionally.

[Dane]

You can tell that to him. This man is dead, and you call him ignoble, and you cannot 'respect' him.

Since he is not here to hear this or speak about it, you should not be saying it. Low class and not too bright.

Well whose choice was it not be here to read my words. Look I didn't put the gun up to his head or hand him the poison.

Everybody has personal troubles, and the vast majority of people deal with them and do not committ the ultimate act of selfishness, suicide, causing internal pain for their loved ones for years.

I can symapthize with TILH's situation, but I will not respect or lionize him for not dealing with that situation.

[bonfire]

You are very wise.

God Bless.

[Yeti]

It IS a shame, but Arne's right: suicide is ultimately a cowardly, selfish act. The suicide gives no one even the OPPORTUNITY to help. What's more, he won't give up his own self-absorption to see that he doesn't have to kill himself. Depression is as curable as the common headache. It IS a shame, but Arne's right: suicide is ultimately a cowardly, selfish act. The suicide gives no one even the OPPORTUNITY to help. What's more, he won't give up his own self-absorption to see that he doesn't have to kill himself. Depression is as curable as the common headache. One just has to get out of himself long enough to see it.

You are one ignorant, arrogant, despicable little turd of a Bushbot!

I wonder if you notice that NOBODY with any REAL experience with severe depression or suicide talks that hateful, stupid, tough-love crap! There's a reason for that. Think about how your last sentence contradicts the rest of your post!

Shame you weren't around to tell him what a selfish coward he was, maybe you could have turned him around by explaining that he was whining about something no more significant than a headache.

Hope that if you ever find yourself in dire emotional straits, you find someone with a little less "tough" and a little more "love" than what you offer.

[Dane]

A question, Yeti, is suicide a noble act or not?

[At _War_With_Liberals]

A friend of mine was the CEO of a pharmaceutical company division in Germany. He was brilliant, but got sick in his 40's and had alot of problems. He had to leave it all behind. He had to adjust to a new reality. He was a brilliant psychiatrist by training, an MD. Luckily, he was very wealthy... it helps to not have to worry about money when ill.

Anyway, he befriended me and taught me immensely important things about this subject.

Most people are conditioned to think of mental illness, medication, the research, psychiatrists, in ways that are patently false. Politics and greed play a more important role than anything else. Learning to think outside of the illness and the misperceptions (and outright lies) is the key to dealing with it.

If anyone would like to discuss this subject in a practical, 1st hand, straight forward manner, please contact me via FReepmail.

[LadyDoc]

Depression and despair are part of "normal" life, but like any "normal" human trait, they can become severe, and then we call this "mental illness".

Depression is often biochemical: it can run in families, and beccome worse with stress, hormone changes (e.g. pregnancy, menopause) and with medical illnesses (anemia, hypothyroidism).

What we doctors call biochemical depression is not the same as existential despair, although it might include this. We mean the lack of energy, sleep disturbances, lack of pleasure in life, and a way of thinking that sees only the negative things around us.

Anti Depressants treat biochemical depression by increasing the energy level, decreasing negative thoughts, and improving sleep.

But unless the "problem" is purely hormones/ biochemical (such as menopause), medications only improve the symptoms, not the problem.

Independent people who forget that God, not they, are in charge are prone to depression/despair.

Church people who think they cannot be mad at God are very prone to severe depression, since they turn their anger inward. For example, I had a lady who was not better on anti depressants. We brought up church, and she was a believer. Then I asked her what else was going on ,and she mentioned her mom had died of cancer, a terrible death; she was very angry about it, but being a stiff upper lip type christian, she was not allowed to mourn, and she thought that her anger against God allowing her mother to suffer made her a bad person...(this was not true, of course, but she was brought up that way)...

Depression is a terrible thing...to those who never were depressed, I always think of the poem..."The mind has cliffs...cliffs of fall...hold them cheap, you who ne'er hung there"...

Christians consider suicide as a terrible sin, but nowadays the churches recognize that, except for a few die hard "I refuse to suffer" types, most suicides are not truely chosen, since the person is not able to think correctly. Often a suicide just simply cannot recognize the love of those around him or her...our hope is that at the moment of death, they see the Divine Mercy of the lord and reach out to him...

[snopercod]

Thanks for that. Ooops, gotta' go bring in some more wood. Gonna' snow tonight!