NNSA Dismantles Last Nuclear Artillery Shell; Battefield Weapons Were Retired by George H.W. Bush

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[Frank_Discussion]

%#*@!

[Prof Engineer]

Bummer. This is not a good thing, I'm afraid.

[eastforker]

I agree they need to be destroyed.In this day and age with cruise and tomahawks there really is no need for nuke artillery.

[ZOOKER]

Why is this not a good thing?

Does any branch of our armed services even use an 8-inch artillery piece? If it won't fit, why should we keep it?

[hchutch]

Any takes on this?

We don't have 8-inch artillery, but there are 155mm guns. Any chance of getting the W82 back in production?

[CasearianDaoist]

They are kind of an obsolete weapon, are they not? I will be concerned when we start dismantling nuclear cruise missles. Remember that we were outrageously out numbered back then. Now we have bases in Uzbekistan and are about to open one in Georgia. Let us how that the RUssians upheld their part of the bargin. I would not, however want small tactica, nukes emmeded with our troops in the field.

Bush seems to have lifted the ban on small nuke research. This might be the was to go - let fall out (of the non-political type, at least.)

[Prof Engineer]

I'm not up on particular artillery pieces. Just the idea of destroying weapons is not necessarily a good idea. If it doesn't fit, by all means, no need to maintain it.

[UNGN]

If you are judged by the Quantity of Nukes you have, it's better to have a 2003 Nuke vs. a 1957 Nuke.

[Starrgaizr]

So, like, when do they show up at the local Army/Navy surplus store? "Makes a great gift!"

[Poohbah]

IIRC, the W82 program got killed because they couldn't get it to work properly.

Nuclear artillery was always of dubious use; by the time the nuclear release protocols would be completed, the situation would have changed so drastically one way or another (either making a nuclear strike unnecessary, or the situation becoming so unsalvageable that a nuke would be worthless).

[pabianice]

Video and photos of blast.

http://www.vce.com/grable.html

[wattsup]

Although I am a retired ex-nuke spook from the USAF, I was at a base that was shared by us and the 55GOLFs of the USA. They had the W79 and believe me when it came time to do some "maintenance" on those type, well let's say good riddance. Not a very friendly nuke.

[Destructor]

"This administration is committed to reducing the threat of nuclear weapons worldwide," said U.S. Department of Energy Secretary"

Someone please explain to me how this will persuade China, North Korea, and Pakistan to destroy their battlefield nukes as well? I must be dense, because it seems like this would only make the U.S. a more tempting target.

[68skylark]

This is good news. There is no possible scenario where these weapons would be used, and it's an expensive pain in the backside to guard them 24/7.

Back when I joined the field artillery in 1981 we regularily trained to fire one of these rounds at advancing communist hordes in central Europe. It would have made quite a bang.

[GreyFriar]

Nuclear surety inspections for artillery units were major events. Training for them consumed many hours, and gave people something to do when cooped up on a kaserne in Germany with nothing else to do but to do gun drills in the motor pool. And if the unit failed, the LTC commanding could kiss his career good-bye.

As for learning how to pay attention to the smallest detail, artillery nuke weapons training was certainly an excellent way.

Fondly remember huddling around the nuke rounds during the cold snowy winters hoping to get the little bit of warmth that came from them. (Right, the rounds never left their bunkers.)

[ZOOKER]

I'm not an artillery expert, either, but I recall seeing a History channel story on nuclear artillery.

The gun was huge, took two large wheeled trucks to transport it and all day to set it up. It had to be that large so it could throw the shell far enough that the gun's crew wouldn't be in the blast radius.

There was another, smaller nuke, called the Davy Crockett, but the crew had to dig a bunker and wear rad gear if they expected to survive the blast.

Both weapons were considered impractical and dangerous to our own forces as well as the enemy.

Battlefield nukes may still have their place, but I think missiles are a better delivery system.

[50sDad]

You want scary? The declassifed KGB files claim that Cuban commanders on the ground during the Missile Crisis had battlefield nuke shells, and permission to use them if America had invaded to shut down the Russian missile sites. You think we would have "gone nuclear" if one of those babies was fired?

Everybody, go rent "Matinee", the film with John Goodman as a 1960's monste-movie producer who primeers his latest and greatest in Key West during the Crisis. A wonderful snapshot of the era, layered with the fears of the age. Wonderful!

[semaj]

SHORTSIGHTED.

[Cannoneer No. 4]

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